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05/23/2007 12:28:39 PM · #26 |
we all know there is a ton of alternatives out there...and it seems we could put alot of people to work if we made a serious change-over from oil to someother source of fuel,i for one would love to live in a country that developed an altrnate fuel source and was able to make it work economically for all involved.thnx big oil for squashing the alternative ideas...
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05/23/2007 12:52:34 PM · #27 |
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05/23/2007 01:10:02 PM · #28 |
LOL Working for a drilling related company Im soooo posting this in the office :P
*edit* just saw gas go up this am here to 120.4 cents per liter :( looks like my camaro will be restricted to a weekend ride. *pouts*
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 13:11:58. |
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05/23/2007 01:12:13 PM · #29 |
Peak oil is a not very new and you should be able to just google it or wikipedia it. SHould be all over the place.
Kinda like Moore's law a prediction that came very true. |
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05/23/2007 01:47:30 PM · #30 |
| I am all for high gas prices. The higher it gets, the sooner we are off of fossil fuel. I would like to see gas go away all together. I am willing to pedal to work if I have to I am really happy for the attention that it is drawing to the fact that gas is not the fuel for the future. IMO. |
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05/23/2007 02:55:02 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
I am all for high gas prices. The higher it gets, the sooner we are off of fossil fuel. I would like to see gas go away all together. I am willing to pedal to work if I have to I am really happy for the attention that it is drawing to the fact that gas is not the fuel for the future. IMO. |
I am ever so glad you can pedal to work, but I fear that at my age I would be hard pressed to drive the minimum 40 miles I commute daily. In addition, I truly do not care for the increases that occur every winter in heating oil... something which might now mean a bag of beans if you happen to reside in warmer climes.
Would I prefer some alternatives... You bet, but to date have seen very little that I am interested in, other than nuclear generation, but that unfortunately won't get me to work any time soon.
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05/23/2007 03:09:19 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
I'm so sick of the greed-mongers... |
Isn't wanting cheap gas being greedy? |
Just the same as wanting cheap carrots or cheap meat is being greedy...it's a necessity and we shouldn't get raped for it. |
Oil industry operates at about a 10% profit margin. What % do you think they should operate at? Considering our demand on fuel, 10% is very modest. Check out microsofts profit margin (28% I'll save you the time looking it up)!
And fuel is not a necessity, just as microsoft products are not a necessity. Several people function fine without ownig a car. Bike, bus, train, feet, work from home, hitch a ride with a friend... People make it a necessity.
Think about it, if they wanted to be greedy they would operate at a 20-30% profit margin, fuel would be pushing $5/gallon, and we'd still use just as much of it.
Greedy is expecting them to drop their profit margin so we can continue to use the same amount of gas and still have the same amount of money in our pocket. |
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05/23/2007 03:59:34 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
I'm so sick of the greed-mongers... |
Isn't wanting cheap gas being greedy? |
Just the same as wanting cheap carrots or cheap meat is being greedy...it's a necessity and we shouldn't get raped for it. |
Oil industry operates at about a 10% profit margin. What % do you think they should operate at? Considering our demand on fuel, 10% is very modest. |
Why should their margin be based on a percentage of the retail price? Their research costs, refining costs, office rent, and pretty much every other expense remains fixed regardless of the retail price. Why shouldn't the margin be placed at a fixed number of cents/gallon, even as (I believe it is) for the fuel retailers? |
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05/23/2007 04:37:58 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And fuel is not a necessity, |
And just exactly do you heat your home?
It may come as a shock to you, but some of us use "Fuel Oil" to keep the icicles from forming on our noses as we sleep in the dead of winter.
Yes I know, one could always burn coal or wood, or wait till nuclear reactors adorn the nation to provide us with some alternative means of heating, but as things currently stand... oil or natural gas are pretty much the only viable alternatives.
Ray |
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05/23/2007 05:26:34 PM · #35 |
FYI - that plastic keyboard upon which we pound daily is also a petroleum product.
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05/23/2007 06:01:23 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
I'm so sick of the greed-mongers... |
Isn't wanting cheap gas being greedy? |
Just the same as wanting cheap carrots or cheap meat is being greedy...it's a necessity and we shouldn't get raped for it. |
Oil industry operates at about a 10% profit margin. What % do you think they should operate at? Considering our demand on fuel, 10% is very modest. |
Why should their margin be based on a percentage of the retail price? Their research costs, refining costs, office rent, and pretty much every other expense remains fixed regardless of the retail price. Why shouldn't the margin be placed at a fixed number of cents/gallon, even as (I believe it is) for the fuel retailers? |
Profit margin is calculated at the end of each quarter based on actuals. While I'm sure they have a goal and they price according to the goal, they do not add a generic 10% to the price of a gallon. I read a study on their priing a few years ago. The % profit on the price changes daily. Some times they will even lose money for a few weeks at a time when the price of oil goes way up so they don't shock consumers too much. That's why it takes longer for the price to go back down after the price of oil drops, as they are catching back up.
Also note, profit is what is left after you pay all the bills, including salaries, R&D, marketing, taxes, operating costs... So technically a zero profit company is still successful. And, with a 10% profit margin the price of gas would be maybe $.20 cheaper per gallon today (profit margin is calculated after taxes) if oil companys were zero profit companys. Also keep in mind that the government takes more in taxes then the oil companys take in profit.
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05/23/2007 06:02:45 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And fuel is not a necessity, |
And just exactly do you heat your home?
It may come as a shock to you, but some of us use "Fuel Oil" to keep the icicles from forming on our noses as we sleep in the dead of winter.
Yes I know, one could always burn coal or wood, or wait till nuclear reactors adorn the nation to provide us with some alternative means of heating, but as things currently stand... oil or natural gas are pretty much the only viable alternatives.
Ray |
I use heat pump and propane, but you can also use an electric heater, wood burning stove... Lots of options.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 18:05:21.
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05/23/2007 06:03:31 PM · #38 |
| Awesome. I still like high gas prices which will force us into other things. I drive 30 miles to work, and someday I might have to move right next door to it because gas is so high, but I would make the change if I have to. |
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05/23/2007 06:09:40 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
Awesome. I still like high gas prices which will force us into other things. I drive 30 miles to work, and someday I might have to move right next door to it because gas is so high, but I would make the change if I have to. |
Agreed. High gas prices is the best way to get out of our dependency. I find it ironic that the people that are anti big SUV and hot and bothered about global warming are also against high gas prices.
I hate paying more for gas, but I know in the end it's best for all of us so I just drive less, cut back in other areas, buy a more economical truck when I need a new one, move closer to work and buy a more efficent house when I move... Eventually we'll all get there if the price keeps going up.
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05/23/2007 06:18:59 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And fuel is not a necessity, |
And just exactly do you heat your home?
It may come as a shock to you, but some of us use "Fuel Oil" to keep the icicles from forming on our noses as we sleep in the dead of winter.
Yes I know, one could always burn coal or wood, or wait till nuclear reactors adorn the nation to provide us with some alternative means of heating, but as things currently stand... oil or natural gas are pretty much the only viable alternatives.
Ray |
I use heat pump and propane, but you can also use an electric heater, wood burning stove... Lots of options. |
Electricity comes from some sort of fuel being burned or changed. Propane is Fuel, and btw wood is fuel.
You might think im being a smart ass but those are all fuel or generated by some sort of fuel. Gasoline, Other forms of petrols are a small variety of fuels. But as far as your electricity goes its generated, by coal, oil, nuclear fission. You have to remember that.
Natural Gas/Propane and LPG/Propane are too different things. One is derived from petroleum. "Propane is a by-product from two sources: natural gas processing and crude oil refining."
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 18:21:25. |
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05/23/2007 06:32:05 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
Gas prices are out of control. ... I for one have started to do something, yes I waited too, but its time for action. My wife and I just cancelled our planned memorial day trip and are organizing a community carpool. Plus this morning I just fired off a series of letters to my Reps and Senators, plus a few angry letters to the oil companies. |
At least you're putting your own personal behavior where your mouth is. I applaud that.
For perspective page 66 of the June issue of Wired magazine has worldwide gasoline prices per gallon in US Dollars. These look to be a few months out of date but here are a few ...
Chicago ... $2.69
San Francisco ... $3.32
New York ... $2.76
London ... $6.65
Rome ... $5.62
Moscow ... $2.89
Tokyo ... $4.49
Beijing ... $2.44
Seoul ... $6.06
Mumbai ... $4.17
Cairo ... $0.86
Riyadh ... $0.45
Lagos ... $1.92
Buenos aires ... $2.32
Caracas ... $0.17
Mexico City ... $2.34
Vancouver ... $3.59
This is just a sample, there are many more cities listed. Clearly taxes and curreny exchange rates matter. And so do the oil reserves of the countries. Interesting!
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05/23/2007 06:38:04 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And fuel is not a necessity, |
And just exactly do you heat your home?
It may come as a shock to you, but some of us use "Fuel Oil" to keep the icicles from forming on our noses as we sleep in the dead of winter.
Yes I know, one could always burn coal or wood, or wait till nuclear reactors adorn the nation to provide us with some alternative means of heating, but as things currently stand... oil or natural gas are pretty much the only viable alternatives.
Ray |
I use heat pump and propane, but you can also use an electric heater, wood burning stove... Lots of options. |
Electricity comes from some sort of fuel being burned or changed. Propane is Fuel, and btw wood is fuel.
You might think im being a smart ass but those are all fuel or generated by some sort of fuel. Gasoline, Other forms of petrols are a small variety of fuels. But as far as your electricity goes its generated, by coal, oil, nuclear fission. You have to remember that.
Natural Gas/Propane and LPG/Propane are too different things. One is derived from petroleum. "Propane is a by-product from two sources: natural gas processing and crude oil refining." |
Hydro power, solar power, nuclear power... Any way, the point of this thread is gas pump prices and my point is going to the gas pump is not a necessity. If you want to argue heating oil prices, go nuts.
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05/23/2007 06:43:36 PM · #43 |
Your heating oil comes from the same petroleum your gasoline does. When it runs down its the same problem.
Do you fly? Not gonna find many jets running on non petroleum based fuels. |
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05/23/2007 06:47:27 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Your heating oil comes from the same petroleum your gasoline does. When it runs down its the same problem.
Do you fly? Not gonna find many jets running on non petroleum based fuels. |
okay, great. you win. oil is needed to heat houses and fly planes because we'll never be smart enough to come up with better ways of doing that. But we still don't need to go to the gas pump and fill our cars (the point of this thread). That is a luxury.
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05/23/2007 06:56:55 PM · #45 |
Well come up with better ways of doing it but how soon. Airplane designs typically have up to a 30 year life span and the design turn around is about the same. Military will probly have prime access to petroleum in wartime so they might not have as much to worrk about. However the NEW F22 hit the drawing board in the late 60's early 70's.
Cars are a bit easier to change and land vehicles dont require some things that an aircraft would.
GM built a car called Project Saturn in 1989 the vehicle got 91+ miles to the gallon looked very much like a geo metro. The project was scrapped when the street legal version required 500 more pounds. |
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05/23/2007 07:07:41 PM · #46 |
Rain Boy do you even know who you are arguing with? You should before you start spouting off facts. As well you continue to miss LoudDog's point.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 19:08:25. |
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05/23/2007 07:18:14 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Airplane designs typically have up to a 30 year life span and the design turn around is about the same. |
787 and 747-8 (major re-design from the 400) are both going from original concept to the air in 4-5 years. but that's another thread.
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05/23/2007 07:22:06 PM · #48 |
Moonshine is the answer. I'm all for drinkable fuel :-)
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05/23/2007 07:22:21 PM · #49 |
| 3.65 here in Michigan, Rumor has it that it will be 4 by the holiday weekend. |
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05/23/2007 07:39:01 PM · #50 |
I'm trying to do my part...I traded in our Suburban for a Sebring last October, which improved my gas mileage from 15mpg to about 25mpg. I'm moving out of our family home on June 1...so instead of making an almost 70 mile round-trip commute every day, my commute will be a total of 3.2 miles. I am so excited I can hardly contain my glee. I am buying a bike this summer and will be riding it when the weather is nice. The boys, however, will have to still contribute to air pollution by riding the big yellow school bus. It stands to reason, though, that the buses are probably contributing less to pollution by transporting 72 kids at a time, instead of 72 cars driving kids around individually.
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