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05/23/2007 02:58:12 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
No, she shouldn't get to keep the score. An honest mistake? Not when you have to check a box saying the photo was taken within challenge dates.
Why don't we all just go find the best shot we have ever taken, one that will knock the socks off every voter here? Enter it into the next challenge, wait until rollover to get it DQ'ed, then keep that nice 8.0 score and have it boost up our average. Sounds great, doesn't it? |
I don't have one of those shots:( can I borrow one of yours? I mean since it will be Dqd anyway what does it matter :) |
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05/23/2007 03:03:13 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
I'd rather burn her village! ;-D |
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05/23/2007 03:06:22 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
I do not want to string the photographer up - and yes, it might have been an honest mistake.
But I don't think she should keep the score and have it counting in her average (actually I don't think any DQ'ed images should count in the average for anyone). |
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05/23/2007 03:34:11 PM · #29 |
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05/23/2007 03:38:00 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by silverscreen:
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
I do not want to string the photographer up - and yes, it might have been an honest mistake.
But I don't think she should keep the score and have it counting in her average (actually I don't think any DQ'ed images should count in the average for anyone). |
Maybe it works that way to make people think twice about self-DQ'ing a poorly performing shot?
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05/23/2007 03:38:46 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by silverscreen:
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But I don't think she should keep the score and have it counting in her average (actually I don't think any DQ'ed images should count in the average for anyone). |
I think it's a good point. Honest mistake or not, it's almost like saying, "The shot is dq'd, but you can keep the ribbon" |
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05/23/2007 03:50:38 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'd rather burn her village! ;-D |
LOL. <-- Really!
As far as the honest mistake goes, we can assume English is not her native language, so that adds to the possibility that her error was unintentional. |
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05/23/2007 03:57:38 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
Well put!! Everyone screamin bout people cheatin, and average's are high if they keep the score....IMO who gives a flyin %#@$....goodness, aren't we here to help people out and enjoy photography and not be so damn negative and competitive..... |
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05/23/2007 04:05:17 PM · #34 |
| Great, now there's a half naked girl on the front page that isn't in the nude category. Maybe there needs to be a partially nude category, so us people at work can hide those too. |
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05/23/2007 04:09:52 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Great, now there's a half naked girl on the front page that isn't in the nude category. Maybe there needs to be a partially nude category, so us people at work can hide those too. |
Sometimes I work in the nude. |
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05/23/2007 04:11:52 PM · #36 |
I totally agree with you, it amazes me at how so many and especially long time members immediately assume and continue to call people cheaters. Why can't people just say sorry and congratulate the new winner. There is no purpose and serves no good to call anyone a cheater. Heck like said earlier, there could have been honest errors in camera settings etc.
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If this is the norm, and it is here at DPC ... then every single person who has been DQ'd including some of the SC's are cheaters and we all wish a scurge on ya all!! If you've ever "Cheated" by error or mistake shame on you, you are a very dishonest person and we all know you just tried to get away with the cheat hoping to win a worthless ribbon. Shame shame shame. And the same goes for drunk drivers, speeder, stop sign runners and everyone here who tells little shite lies on a regular basis. He who has not "cheated" throw the first stone.
Sheeeeeeshhhhhhhh!!!!
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heck there are some good programmers here, why doesn't someone go through all the challenges and post every name who has ever been DQ'd. Now wouldn't that serve a great purpose too . Come-on now guys and gals ....
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
Well put!! Everyone screamin bout people cheatin, and average's are high if they keep the score....IMO who gives a flyin %#@$....goodness, aren't we here to help people out and enjoy photography and not be so damn negative and competitive..... |
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 16:15:06. |
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05/23/2007 04:19:54 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
Originally posted by karmat:
ummm guys, before you string the photog up, consider that maybe she just hasn't added the other lenses to her profile, and maybe the date is set wrong on her camera.
Just because someone was dq'ed doesn't mean they are out to cheat. It was her first entry, that tells me it was probably something she didn't understand about the rules.
Play nice. |
Well put!! Everyone screamin bout people cheatin, and average's are high if they keep the score....IMO who gives a flyin %#@$....goodness, aren't we here to help people out and enjoy photography and not be so damn negative and competitive..... |
I couldn't agree with you more  JawnyRico |
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05/23/2007 04:27:06 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
yes, just puts another chit in the "don't quite trust first entry ribbon winners" basket for me... |
Well they seem pretty reliable when you're sitting in 4th place. :P
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05/23/2007 04:27:48 PM · #39 |
I'd like to knock DQd scores out of MY average. They weren't doing so hot when they were DQd. :)
My questions about the shot weren't time-related, but editing-related. That is, I had no reason to suspect anything, it was just "first-time entry. I'll just wait to congratulate her until I'm sure the SC has validated it."
New members make all kinds of editing mistakes. Honest mistakes, esp. if English isn't their first language.
Now I'll go post a consolation note on the shot.
Edited to note that if her camera's date was incorrect, she could have honestly checked the box on the submission page. Note what it says:
Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between May 1 2007 and May 31 2007.\
It talks about when the shot was taken, not when the EXIF says it was taken.
On my date DQ, I'd forgotten to set my camera's clock back an hour. I took the shot at 11:45 pm the night of rollover and checked the box. It "was taken" on the dates indicated, even though the EXIF said it was taken at 12:45 am the next day.
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 16:32:33.
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05/23/2007 04:34:48 PM · #40 |
I didn't mean to imply that the current DQ girl was cheating, but I do stand by the fact that over the years I have seen a higher proportion of ribbon DQs belong to first time entrants. I guess there is a curve to learning the rules and that could account for some, but there are also people who are happy to overlook the rules first time around in order to prove to themselves they are good enough.
If this was simply a date error, I appologize for the implication. I do think it was an incredible shot. I wish she said what the sphere was made of. Glass? Water? something else?
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05/23/2007 04:44:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...I wish she said what the sphere was made of. Glass? Water? something else? |
Doc-She says drops with syringe and needle in her comment in the photo discussion. She doesn't specify water, glycerin or other. |
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05/23/2007 04:44:46 PM · #42 |
She gives a few more details in a comment:
Originally posted by katOsu:
Thank you so much!!!I really don't thought that I can win!!! Yay!
Now, for everywhone, who think that it's marble, too round to be droplets, too edited or sth I announce that I'm takeing droplets phtos for one year and I know how to get round droplet, we need 2 things : flower with silky-smooth petal, and syringe with needle. The droplet must be very very small to be so round. I've send my proof - oryginal photo, hope you belive me :)
Thanks a lot for nice comments and so many votes !!! |
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05/23/2007 04:55:16 PM · #43 |
Over exaggerating the competitive aspect of this site makes DPCers quick to condemn...
To err is human, to forgive divine.
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05/23/2007 04:57:17 PM · #44 |
| I don't get it, her average vote received is 0.0000 and challenges entered is 1. It appears that Dq's do not go into your average. Am I missing something? |
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05/23/2007 05:18:34 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
yeah, but when you've gotta put a check in the box stating when the image was taken, and knowingly do so when the image didn't fit the dates, IMHO ... you are trying to cheat and beat the system ... |
Remember, English is this ladies second language. I'd drop just shy of using "cheat", to describe it.
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05/23/2007 05:21:20 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by jonnienye:
i love feax-llocks... |
Man! That team noob logo comes might close to the "Head On!" commercial. I may have to turn off sigs. LOL
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05/23/2007 05:25:49 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by pamelasue:
yeah, but when you've gotta put a check in the box stating when the image was taken, and knowingly do so when the image didn't fit the dates, IMHO ... you are trying to cheat and beat the system ... |
Remember, English is this ladies second language. I'd drop just shy of using "cheat", to describe it. |
And if it was as simple as the date being set wrong on her camera, then she was completely honest when she checked it. |
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05/23/2007 05:29:09 PM · #48 |
Check out my first challenge entry. I didn't know the rules and submitted a shot that clearly broke the rules. I even put in the details that I "used two pictures" and "put together in photoshop".
I made a mistake b/c I didn't know the rules.
SEE |
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05/23/2007 05:45:54 PM · #49 |
Dang you, shame shame, I can't believe we didn't beat you to death with a wet noodle. I can't believe that you tried to cheat and got caught. What a terrible expample of dishonesty, shame shame. And the true fact was you put the processing steps in the comments so if you got causht you could say you didn't know. Can't you see that not knowing the rules is no excuse and that makes you stupid as well as a cheater! LOL
Originally posted by kenskid:
Check out my first challenge entry. I didn't know the rules and submitted a shot that clearly broke the rules. I even put in the details that I "used two pictures" and "put together in photoshop".
I made a mistake b/c I didn't know the rules.
SEE |
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05/23/2007 05:51:24 PM · #50 |
I for one LOVE it when first time challenge entrants win a ribbon or do really well. It keeps new folks interested & around for one. Another, it raises the bar here for all of us & I am all for that.
When other first timers rank lower but DQ-ed, for the most part, we seem ok with that but not so when it is a ribbon winner. Let's remember, to err is human. I know I didnt read all the rules, beginning to end, when I started. I just was so excited that I just jumped right on in.
On the other subject, I seem to remember the rule being that if you DQ, you get a 0. Keeping the score sets a wierd precedent already mentioned in an earlier thread- why dont we all just enter our best shots, get DQ-ed and boost our average scores? Some discussion & rethinking seems needed if this is actually the case, no?
Message edited by author 2007-05-23 19:27:31.
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