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 05/18/2007 03:43:32 PM · #76
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.
 05/18/2007 03:49:37 PM · #77
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Sometimes the shots are just soo ho-hum I don't want to say anything for fear of being mean :-D

I would rather be told that the shot is boring or the subject doesn't work, then continue to think I am taking great shots. If people aren't told their comps are just plain uninteresting, how will they ever be able to look at their photos more constructively. I receive very few comments on my portfolio images, unless I am participating in a 30 day. That leads me to believe that the images are just blah, since nobody can find anything to say. HOwever, that may not be the case in all of them. I will always be negative about my attempts because I assume no comments means really bad photo. So I change the style and subject, still get no comments and I wonder if everything I take is a bad subject and uninteresting.
Another thing I have noticed is I can take a shot a lot like some of the highly commented images in peoples portfolios. My shot may even be better focused or composed, yet I receive nada for comments. So that has a lot to do with who you are. The "popular" phototographers can take a shot of a pile of s--- and get 100 comments of that is really a great photo. I have looked through the gallery a lot and can't believe the wonderful images that have received no comments, so I go to town and make comments. I wish more people would do that.

So, anybody got any great pile of s--- images to share.


If you want your pics noticed then you have to for the most part make requests or let people know that you have new images to see and or comment on. That's pretty much how Ive gotten people to view a lot of my often amateurish crap :) but on the same note I appreciate any comments I get good or bad.

If you want brutally honest reviews post some images in the reaction club thread. I got what some people would consider quite offensive review on one of my pics but to me it doesn't bother me as they did take the time to comment and even though I don't agree, to me beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

-dave

BTW I'm in no way bashing the poster or anything of the sort I was referring to and not trying to draw any attention to said person ;)

And finally since you asked I have a new craptastic pic just posted :)
05/18/2007 03:49:39 PM · #78
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.

This is something I can address...

If it is not a problem that can be fix then why bring it up? I'm one of those folks that like to solve problems that can be fixed.
 05/18/2007 03:52:14 PM · #79
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.

This is something I can address...

If it is not a problem that can be fix then why bring it up? I'm one of those folks that like to solve problems that can be fixed.


Bringing it up makes people aware and possibly helps curb the activity. There is nothing that can be done to stop it but most people, if they are aware that they are doing this will try not to in the future.
 05/18/2007 03:54:36 PM · #80
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Let me try this again. I want to help.

But are YOU doing ANYTHING other than complaining about the problem?

If so, I will help you. If not then I will not.

I don't believe this is real and YOU have provided ZERO evidence for your opinion. How can you possibly expect me to support you?

Note: Corrected spelling


Hmmm.. I don't recall complaining.

I also don't recall anyone asking for any *help*, per se. Just a note that they're seeing certain trends. Whether or not you see them is beside the point.

I don't believe "God" is real. Does that mean one doesn't exist? I can't provide any real evidence for that either way, so I'm not entirely sure what your continued insistence on "existence" really means.

Lastly, support for what? You're the one that turned it personal. Being adamant that something is REAL or not isn't helping anything either. If you actually read what I wrote, you'll see that I don't think of it, as fotomann said, as a fixable issue on a grand scale. That it's up to the individual to do what they can, and get what they want, out of this site.

There is a real issue around here of people being ignored a lot of the time. What makes it a tough issue is that there is no *ONE* reason for that. It's a mixture of everything, but that doesn't mean that just because one person wants to not recognize it, it doesn't exist. Evidence *has* been shown, it's just not evidence you want to accept.

It's fine if it's not been a personal problem for you. It's great that you want to help whenever you can, but what is the purpose in minimizing the concerns of others by just stating that those concerns "aren't real" to you. Why this vested interest?

Message edited by author 2007-05-18 15:55:33.
 05/18/2007 03:54:39 PM · #81
Originally posted by stdavidson:
I don't believe this is real and YOU have provided ZERO evidence for your opinion. How can you possibly expect me to support you?

I provided data for you in an earlier post, and it's quite easy to find as I also pointed out.

If you don't want to see it that's your prerogative but how can you say it doesn't exist if YOU don't want to open your eyes to it. Also, why so fiesty about it?

FWIW, I think Artyste has the best handle on it - whatever "it" is now. What WAS this thread about again? :P
 05/18/2007 03:57:54 PM · #82
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.


Oh, I don't think that it's not *fixable*, but just that it would take a great deal of individual effort :)

Which, I suppose, in essence, makes it unfixable :)
 05/18/2007 03:57:56 PM · #83
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.
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So true. It happens in the workplace all the time. We have maybe 40 people working at my work and within that 40 there must be 6 clicks. Amazing. We do make room for each other. After all its a small place. But there is rumblings and griping that this person did this and that person shut me up , and that person doesn't like me, and why are they so special that they get some selective treatment. So even on a small scale there is alot of that going on. It is human, we are all not liked, if we get a few fans on dp that is the best we can expect. Yes there are those who have fan lists a mile long, but can't help that. They have proven their excellence, and even when they don't take the greatest picture, they have so many fans that it doesn't matter. For those of us wishing for acceptance, you are accepted if you are here. That is a given. Now get out and shoot some great photos and we will be part of your fan pool as well.
 05/18/2007 04:15:21 PM · #84
After reading this post, I don't think I am part of the in crowd.
05/18/2007 04:23:26 PM · #85
OK... with all due respect to glad2badad whose data I did not see within this discussion even though I looked...

If someone can actually prove there is a REAL problem or even point out individual cases that need to be addressed and wants to do something about it then let me know. I will help. If you want me to do it without your help then it is unlikely I will comply.

If all you want to do is make unsubstantiated statements then I'm no longer interested.

Please, if you have solid reasons to support your views then bring them up. I will listen.
 05/18/2007 04:27:36 PM · #86
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Steve, I think Glen is trying to say it's not a problem that CAN be fixed. It's human nature.

This is something I can address...

If it is not a problem that can be fix then why bring it up? I'm one of those folks that like to solve problems that can be fixed.


Bringing it up makes people aware and possibly helps curb the activity. There is nothing that can be done to stop it but most people, if they are aware that they are doing this will try not to in the future.


... or not.
 05/18/2007 04:29:54 PM · #87
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

... or not.


:-D
 05/18/2007 04:30:27 PM · #88
I am not sure there is a problem. I think you give, and you get on this site. The more you pay attention to others, the more others pay attention to you. That seems logical to me. If you want people to comment on your threads, comment on theirs. I think that it works. I am not saying that a few people don't enjoy celeberty status here, but who cares. They probably deserve it. Any thread of mine that had anything worth a darn has had many comments and community involvement. The ones that are just boring or stupid get ignored. Who cares really.
 05/18/2007 04:30:33 PM · #89
Originally posted by boomtap:
After reading this post, I don't think I am part of the in crowd.


Ofcourse not, but datrn it, you're special ;-)
 05/18/2007 05:07:35 PM · #90
Awww... Gee. Shucks.
 05/18/2007 05:21:33 PM · #91
05/18/2007 05:34:37 PM · #92

05/18/2007 05:59:55 PM · #93
Originally posted by levyj413:

As for Team Suck, well, yeah, but here's a short list, off the top of my head, of people I consider DPC friends, many of whom I've had nice PM exchanges with, who aren't in team suck:
drachoo
ursula
karmat
fotomann_forever
yanko
judi
idnic
thegrandwazoo
_eug
rex
dahkota
louis
sandyp
art rolfmao (edited to add him; can't believe I omitted him, since we're teaching PS 101 together!)

Which crowd are they in? My point is that if you put yourself out there, and are friendly, and not bitter, you'll make friends. You know, like the way it works offline.


Ahem. Harumph. We've SKYPED. I weep. :)
 05/18/2007 06:05:22 PM · #94
As to the OP, I think Arty said it best. It's a matter of timing and who else is both online and able to help.

One thing that I notice that I believe is a big reason why certain forum posts don't succeed as well as others are both thread title and the point of the OP.

A very vague "Hey, look at these, what do you think?" with too many thumbs to deal with isn't going to get as good a response as "I have this problem that I tried to solve by doing X - was that the right way to go?" or "I wanted this shot to convey Y emotion - does it work? If not, what specifically can be done to improve? Different DOF? Awkward pose? Wrong time of day for exposure?" etc.

The posts that get the best attention are when the question is clear and the problem is solvable rather than a general "What do you think about this?"


05/18/2007 07:03:43 PM · #95
Originally posted by L2:

Ahem. Harumph. We've SKYPED. I weep. :)


Excuse my ignorance...but what does 'SKYPED' mean? Or more precisely, what does it mean when you say "We've SKYPED>"

Message edited by author 2007-05-18 19:05:09.
 05/18/2007 07:06:14 PM · #96
This is a dynamic community? Oh, I think that answers the question.

SKYPE is a Voice over IP system that is used to talk to people for free over the internet. There is also a paid version that will let you call people in other countries than your origin.
 05/18/2007 07:07:40 PM · #97
Originally posted by CEJ:
Originally posted by L2:

Ahem. Harumph. We've SKYPED. I weep. :)


Excuse my ignorance...but what does 'SKYPED' mean? Or more precisely, what does it mean when you say "We've SKYPED>"


Well, I swear it's not dirty. :)

Skype is a VOIP client that we used for Levy's podcast episode. It's like a phone call only over the computer instead of the phone.

:)
 05/18/2007 07:14:26 PM · #98
Originally posted by CEJ:
I see this regularly in the forums and have yet to figure out why some people get essentially no responses and others get numerous responses to the same questions/requests?

You have to be creative in the phraseology of your question. For example: Canon cameras generally have odd, plastic looking, unnatural, unsharp images. I don't think I've ever failed to get some comments or replies when I post that here.

:)
 05/18/2007 08:17:31 PM · #99
Success or failure based on the most number of responses a thread receives, I would think might only be determined by the OP and those who participate and also contribute and desire response. An evaluation of only numbers can be misleading. Buy/sell threads are usually very short, but often with satisfactory outcome for the op.
As others have noted presentation and intention can contribute to response outcome, if it is even not expected (also a reasonable intent).
DPC Rants can be very successful, garnering extensive real estate and in terms of raw response of opinion, but hardly successful in terms of resolving any issue or even remotely relate to photography - same may also may be true for recurring, dpl urah rah team threads.
05/18/2007 08:26:25 PM · #100
Don't forget about the bar :-)
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