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07/21/2003 04:17:30 PM · #26 |
| It has nothing to do with temperature for one thing....the perspective is way off for another....and way too obvious in the posing..not natural....my opinions only. |
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07/21/2003 06:46:06 PM · #27 |
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I did not give any ones in this challenge. I gave (i believe 4 twos). Here is one that I gave a two to, and the comment I gave is there. BTW it did better than the photo that started this thread.
I apologize to all of you who seem bored by the thread-- I am simply trying to learn something about photography. But seem to be learning more about the members.
(the pose btw seems perhas unnatural-- because it was a hot day and the water was freezing, so despite all the lack of temp related comments- it was both those-- and the photographer captured me experiencing both simultaneously)
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07/21/2003 07:13:54 PM · #28 |
I gave that last shot a 2 as well. There's nothing special about it either.
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07/21/2003 08:16:53 PM · #29 |
I took this shot.
I am not all surprised at the course of this thread. I am consoled, however, to see that at least one person, e301, considered it critically and took the time to articulate his thoughts. Not only do I accept his view, I share it.
Personally, I don't care, really, if anyone disliked this photo. Given my intent, I expected this. If, however, forty voters rate a technically apt submission between 1 and 3, with sixteen people voting 1, I feel, with ellamay, that good and intelligible reasons would be in order. That's all.
Message edited by author 2003-07-21 20:19:00. |
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07/21/2003 09:45:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jillz:
Originally posted by ellamay:
I did NOT TAKE this photo!! |
Ellamay -
Are you the model? |
I believe jillz might have hit on something here. Given that Ellamay and zeuszen joined this site within a week of each other, both submitted nude shots for the nude and temperature challenges, all of which were in the same setting, and considering their profile pics as compared to the submitted pictures, it seems that the two of them might know each other and have gotten together to model for each other.
There is of course nothing wrong with that.
However, if that is the case, ellamay, then I think everyone here would appreciate your being forthcoming with the reasons you are arguing with the score of this picture, while strongly insisting that you did not take it (suggesting that you have no personal involvement with it's score).
If that is not the case, than I apologise for asking and will dismiss the evidence as coincidental.
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07/21/2003 09:57:52 PM · #31 |
| This site, and this thread in particular, is about a specific aspect of one photograph, not about social gossip and speculation. I kindly request a return to the topic. |
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07/21/2003 11:07:06 PM · #32 |
| I rated the photo a 7 which probably included an additional point for being bold. I haven't been voting long, but I usually try not to go below 5 for a photo with no technical problems. I was actually confused on the temperature (which may have been the point as I look back). The overall darkness of the photo suggested a cold morning, but the bright spot on the glasses hinted at warmth. I also thought that the wonderful line of the beach actually pulled the viewers attention away from the subject and up to the horizon. It left me look for some relationship between the model and that distand point where the horizon and beach came together. I know this is opinion and perhaps a little picky, but those two were enough to put it below an 8. Sorry I did not comment during the challenge, but I could not articulate my impression on the first pass and I did not make it back to comment on this particular image. Please do not let the low scores detour you from your objectives, this was a good shot and demonstrates that the photographer has the skill to create a create great shots (9-10s). |
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07/21/2003 11:08:35 PM · #33 |
I really don't think Ellamay started this thread because she had personal interest in it (whether or not she is the model is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!), her point is why a technically good photograph, that is not very unlike the 4th place photo in its relation to the challenge (keeping cool on the beach, works for me!), would recieve so much harsh critisizm (16 ones?). It's not up to us to make any assumptions or allegations about someone's private life and relationships. This has nothing to do with photography! I think they both deserve an apology.
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07/22/2003 12:28:29 AM · #34 |
Thanks Marianne and David for civilizing the thread.
I can't speak for ellamay, but I should have the negative capability to survive the DPC jungle. ;-)
Both of your comments (David's capable eloquence really is a 'critique', and a sensitive one at that) encourage me to live up to your example, whenever needed.
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07/22/2003 12:45:13 AM · #35 |
I gave the photo a 4. While I like the background, the subject isn't too appealing to me nor did I get a feeling of temprature from it either. I got the feeling that the shot was more a shot about "hey, look at me", instead of about "temprature". It's a little in-appropriate for the challenge in my opinion.
But giving it 1's and 2's I think is overboard (too low).
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07/22/2003 01:19:50 AM · #36 |
I gave the shot a three as opposed to the 7 I gave the young lady in the bucket. I too found "Rush and Recess" lacking in a feeling of temp. the lighting on the model also seemed harsh to me. there was alot going on in the scene with the young lady more elements brought the picture together (like the wave crashing in behind her) I know the feeling of the mist,very cooling. also the young lady appears to be hiding under her hat from the Sun. where as the only light in "Rush and Recess" seems to be from a flash.
I try hard to judge fairly...about 6.1 on average. I have to agree, those folks that give out one's and two's or maintain three's as there average in terms of what they give out, do not realize how tough it can be on others...if I am going to be a critic I am going to do my best to share why...both good and bad....
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07/22/2003 03:03:56 AM · #37 |
I'm sorry that I asked the question I did publicly in the forums. I was just curious as to why Ellamay had such an interest in a photo she did not take. Perhaps a PM would have been more appropriate.
I did not vote in temperature because I did not have time. I would not have given the photo a 1 or a 2. I usually do not score that low.
Ellamay - I happen to think that you are brave to pose nude for an internet photography site. My hat is off to you. |
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07/22/2003 03:06:18 AM · #38 |
| You have to realize also that a HUGE percentage of people that vote on this site NEVER read the forums. So a lot of the people that scored this photo 1 or 2 never comment at all for one thing and never realize that there even is a discussion on the photo. |
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07/22/2003 12:35:56 PM · #39 |
I think in any weeks challenges I could go through the shots and pick shots to compare, that would cause me to ask the same sorts of questions in my mind. How did this shot X do so well while Y did so poorly?
Perhaps I am the only one who wonders these things. I am glad to see the thread this morning on critiques I think it is helpful. |
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07/22/2003 01:09:33 PM · #40 |
| I actually like the photo in question. The tones are lovely, especially on the skin, and the uncommon model makes it, I feel, a bit tongue-in-cheek, perhaps, or at least spurns our traditional assumptions of what nude beauty should be. To be honest, though I like the shot, for me it does not communicate temperature as well as it does other things, but I am confused with ellamay about so many 1s. |
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07/22/2003 01:17:48 PM · #41 |
I haven't noticed anything in this thread about the simple 'nudity' factor. I believe that plays a role in these images and should be considered.
My Forbidden Fruit photo received 7 ones out of 201 votes. Interestingly enough, there is nothing 'showing' in this nude photo.
There are a lot of factors that explain votes of '1' on photos you believe are great:
1. A viewer may be simply offended by the photo for reasons known or unknown to you.
2. A viewer may realize that your photo is great and want to give it a 1 in hopes of elevating their own chances of finishing higher in the challenge ranks.
3. The viewer may have a 'harsh' voting guideline where they give a 1 when they see anything that they think could be better. Everyone has their own voting guidelines.
The voting here is more than just a simple judgement of your photograph. I believe that there is a lot of 'competitive' voting that happens at this site.
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07/22/2003 01:31:06 PM · #42 |
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07/22/2003 02:03:52 PM · #43 |
i havent participated in voting or submitting for some weeks now
i do think the pic is just lacking a wow factor, not everyone succumbs to a nude woman, esp other females
and also it really looks like an evening shot, when temps tend to drop,
so there is a mixed message coming from the pic, is it suppose to be hot, or chilly?
the sand - because it is wet - looks dark, if it had been dry it would have counter balanced the darkness in the sky
did you start this thread thinking ppl voted you low because of the size of the lady?, not everyone here is slim and trim, and i really hope ppl didnt take that into account
but i really cannot tell if its a HOT or COLD picture. |
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07/22/2003 07:59:41 PM · #44 |
A good reminder, John.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I haven't noticed anything in this thread about the simple 'nudity' factor. I believe that plays a role in these images and should be considered.
My Forbidden Fruit photo received 7 ones out of 201 votes. Interestingly enough, there is nothing 'showing' in this nude photo.
There are a lot of factors that explain votes of '1' on photos you believe are great:
1. A viewer may be simply offended by the photo for reasons known or unknown to you.
2. A viewer may realize that your photo is great and want to give it a 1 in hopes of elevating their own chances of finishing higher in the challenge ranks.
3. The viewer may have a 'harsh' voting guideline where they give a 1 when they see anything that they think could be better. Everyone has their own voting guidelines.
The voting here is more than just a simple judgement of your photograph. I believe that there is a lot of 'competitive' voting that happens at this site. |
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07/22/2003 10:06:32 PM · #45 |
I had no idea when I started this thread that it would take on the life it did. What a great learning experience about starting a thread. I think some very good comments and points were made both regarding the photo and why it potentially did so poorly. I would also like to say thanks for the apologies.
Message edited by author 2003-07-22 22:13:56. |
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07/23/2003 10:32:50 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
(the pose btw seems perhas unnatural-- because it was a hot day and the water was freezing, so despite all the lack of temp related comments- it was both those-- and the photographer captured me experiencing both simultaneously) |
So that explains why you could personally understand how it related to temperature. Maybe it scored low because people could not relate to it and because nude is shoking and because it is obviously not a nude cliché photo.
I also receive a lot of unexplicable low scores on some pictures and do not understand them and I sometimes feel frustrated about it. It is the consequence of submitting photos on a site where amateurs are scoring and judging your pictures (not only counting that pictures may deserve a low score too!!!). I unfortunately don't how this could change since you can't force anyone to comment. So have to accept it.
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