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 05/08/2007 08:07:41 PM · #101
Originally posted by Beetle:
Aaaaawwwww poor Brad..... I wish I could give you huggles to cheer you up.

I'm cheery - see?
05/08/2007 08:09:36 PM · #102
Some thoughts on watermarks... take the following bullets as my personal view please:

- I'd absolutely hate to see them during voting; it would remove all pleasure for me.
- I understand why some folks feel strongly that they would be a good thing. Protecting one's work is important, nay, vital, if one is a professional and earning one's living (or a portion of it) at photography
- I understand why some folks, like myself, really don't place that kind of importance on it. For us, if our images are occasionally misused, we'll address it as it comes, and not sweat it. That works for us, probably because we don't derive much if any income from our hobby.

We've talked about various strategies to incorporate more security. We've kicked around watermarks, as well as other ideas. I think that at some point we'll have a better scheme than we do now. It's not an easy problem to solve, even partially, without destroying the beauty of the photos.
05/08/2007 08:12:26 PM · #103
Originally posted by Brad:
I think after the challenge is over, a watermark could be placed over the image, but not during.

Then again, I think I read something in an Admin bulletin that addresses the real issue: 

Note:Pay no attention to Brad, as he is nothing but a raving lunatic.




I agree with this option.
05/08/2007 08:12:55 PM · #104
Originally posted by Beetle:
A) you'd get used to it
B) tough luck if you don't want to look at it - it is HIS image, should be HIS choice how to protect it, even that would cost him views. You are free to leave your own untouched.
C) the way the watermark is done, might make a big difference to how badly bothered you feel by it.
D) you may not like the look of it, but it doesn't take away from the learning, the teaching, the sharing..... all those wonderful technicals and emotions are still there, even behind a watermark.


You are not understanding the intregity concept at all. You are not understanding the issue of conformity. The issues of the few should never be forced upon the many. They must be dealt with internally (such as choosing to enter or not enter). That is the way things work the best. Notice the deflation of monarchies and rise of democracy? There might be something to it....
 05/08/2007 08:14:52 PM · #105
Originally posted by kirbic:
Some thoughts on watermarks... take the following bullets as my personal view please:

- I'd absolutely hate to see them during voting; it would remove all pleasure for me.
- I understand why some folks feel strongly that they would be a good thing. Protecting one's work is important, nay, vital, if one is a professional and earning one's living (or a portion of it) at photography
- I understand why some folks, like myself, really don't place that kind of importance on it. For us, if our images are occasionally misused, we'll address it as it comes, and not sweat it. That works for us, probably because we don't derive much if any income from our hobby.

We've talked about various strategies to incorporate more security. We've kicked around watermarks, as well as other ideas. I think that at some point we'll have a better scheme than we do now. It's not an easy problem to solve, even partially, without destroying the beauty of the photos.


Ahhhh, another calm voice of reason.
 05/08/2007 08:18:47 PM · #106
Originally posted by Cutter:

You are not understanding the intregity concept at all. You are not understanding the issue of conformity. The issues of the few should never be forced upon the many. They must be dealt with internally (such as choosing to enter or not enter). That is the way things work the best. Notice the deflation of monarchies and rise of democracy? There might be something to it....

Nobody is forcing YOU to watermark YOUR property.
Nobody is forcing you to even look at another person's watermarked property.

There are certain subjects and certain post processing techniques that I strongly dislike, but I have no right to complain about others presenting them, just because I don't like them.

The answer is that I simply don't look at them. Just because I hate _____, doesn't mean nobody should submit photographs of that.

You have no right to stop others from protecting what is theirs, either.

Edited to add: Cutter, I guess neither you nor I are going to budge on this one, so perhaps we should just give up on each other, huh? ;-)

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 20:19:57.
 05/08/2007 08:19:30 PM · #107
For the record:
I personally don't like watermarks.

To add:
* If the site ever did find a way to do it, make it uniform so that every challenge image after the voting is done, has the same.
* After doing some 750+ images in my portfolio, I kinda' don't even see them anymore.
* In time, I'm sure they would become so common place they would become transparent for the most part.
 05/08/2007 08:20:53 PM · #108
Flash: Art's internet connection is working again.
Flash II: Art can't believe this horse is still being flogged.
Flash III: Art thinks the thread title should be changed to "GET YOUR STINKIN PAWS OFF ME YOU DAMN, DIRTY APES!!"

Final note: I don't care if it changes or not, but didn't we just have a poll and the majority wanted it left alone? Should we just automatically rerun the poll every year to see if opinions have changed? I agree with Cutter and others who basically say that the enjoyment of images by the members here should outweigh the risks and dangers *gasp* of seeing our images on *gasp again* MySpace.

I also agree with one of Brad's posts. ...the one about him being a raving lunatic. ;-)

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 20:21:18.
 05/08/2007 08:24:09 PM · #109
Originally posted by Brad:
bla bla bla uniform bla bla bla

What? Now you want a dress code??

IT'S A MAD HOUSE!!! A MAD HOUSSSSE!!!
 05/08/2007 08:24:37 PM · #110
I think one thing that would help quite a bit is the removal or maybe repositioning of the DPChallenge logo and menu while you are in the voting stage.

I did some screen shots at different resolutions (I hope you don't mind me using this image as an example)
first at my formal viewing size
notice I even have my menu, toolbar and address bar moved to one line to help with space and you just barely get the entire image in there.
with F11 on
you get the entire thing

With the monitor set at 1024x768 there is a big difference

and with F11


And during voting at 1024x768 on a 507x640 image you still have to scroll to see the voting buttons.



Personally I don't have an issue with scrolling or not. Doing something about the logo would help but it would change the look and continuity of the site as a whole.

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 21:07:30.
 05/08/2007 08:26:46 PM · #111
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Brad:
bla bla bla uniform bla bla bla

What? Now you want a dress code??

IT'S A MAD HOUSE!!! A MAD HOUSSSSE!!!

Glad I'm in the right place.
 05/08/2007 08:28:13 PM · #112
Originally posted by Beetle:


You have no right to stop others from protecting what is theirs, either.


I am not wanting to stop that at all. There is a real quick solution if that is such a big concern. Do not place images on internet, DPC, etc. It's really that easy.

Originally posted by Beetle:


Edited to add: Cutter, I guess neither you nor I are going to budge on this one, so perhaps we should just give up on each other, huh? ;-)


And yeah, I have made my point. I am not trying to convince/budge you at all. I am throwing my ideas out into the big wide world for all to hear and decide. I am in the majority on this one. It is the minority position that must convince and win over the many. So really its up to you to continue in your efforts or not.
 05/08/2007 08:32:08 PM · #113
Originally posted by Cutter:
...You are not understanding the issue of conformity. The issues of the few should never be forced upon the many...

Hmmmm...I wish the American political system would be reminded of this.

So we rehash this every 6-12 months. I like it where it is at. Dialup (yes they are still out there) and smaller than 17in screens would be inconvenienced. That isn't fair is it. I have a big screen and cable connection. Stay the same. That is what I voted for last time. Still would be the same.
EDIT: Still IS the same. :)

Message edited by author 2007-05-08 20:40:42.
 05/08/2007 08:35:03 PM · #114
oh looky, there's a poll...
 05/08/2007 08:48:32 PM · #115
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
oh looky, there's a poll...


I voted for up to 800x800. If there was only the option of 720x720, I would have done that. I hope they will assume the same for all 800x800 voters. That way it is the total of 720 and 800 voters against the "no change" crowd. Just throwing it out there to make sure....
 05/08/2007 08:51:45 PM · #116
Can I vote twice? I have two monitors...
 05/08/2007 09:04:41 PM · #117
Originally posted by Cutter:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
oh looky, there's a poll...


I voted for up to 800x800. If there was only the option of 720x720, I would have done that. I hope they will assume the same for all 800x800 voters. That way it is the total of 720 and 800 voters against the "no change" crowd. Just throwing it out there to make sure....


I voted for "Don't change anything" but only because there wasn't an option for 2000x2000 otherwise I would have voted for that. Make everyone scroll I say!
 05/08/2007 09:07:40 PM · #118
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Can I vote twice? I have two monitors...


:-D
 05/08/2007 09:12:02 PM · #119
Originally posted by yanko:

I voted for "Don't change anything" but only because there wasn't an option for 2000x2000 otherwise I would have voted for that. Make everyone scroll I say!


Hell dude ill just use a monitor that displays 2560x1920 view it in full screen with menu bar off and screw the 100 or so pixels im missing (80 off the monitor).
 05/08/2007 09:29:09 PM · #120
Originally posted by Brad:
For the record:
I personally don't like watermarks.

To add:
* If the site ever did find a way to do it, make it uniform so that every challenge image after the voting is done, has the same.
* After doing some 750+ images in my portfolio, I kinda' don't even see them anymore.
* In time, I'm sure they would become so common place they would become transparent for the most part.


My web designer tells me there's a way to watermark photos that will only show if they're removed from the site.... Worth looking into.
 05/08/2007 09:33:48 PM · #121
Originally posted by neophyte:

My web designer tells me there's a way to watermark photos that will only show if they're removed from the site.... Worth looking into.


No offense to you, but your web designer is full of BS.
05/08/2007 09:38:08 PM · #122
Originally posted by kirbic:
IE as the browser and using F11 "full screen" mode, to see the entire 720x720 picture. It's still necessary to scroll to vote, if you're using the mouse to vote.

is it not possible to move the voting buttons to the right-side of the photo?
 05/08/2007 09:38:50 PM · #123
Why not have two site watermarks that the photog selects which one when the photo is uploaded. It could be generated by DPC, every photo would have same size, style and color of watermark. The only photog choice would be bottom left or bottom right. Watermark would be generic "DPC submission" or something standard as decided by SC (not member's, too many suggestions and nothing would get accomplished). This way all photos would look the same with a small by visible mark.
 05/08/2007 09:44:25 PM · #124
regarding the watermark and fear of stolen images, while it is a valid concern, it is not a valid reason to stop the submission image size increase for the site. you have a choice. you either take advantage of the new larger size, or you can continue submitting in current 640 limit.
 05/08/2007 09:45:16 PM · #125
Originally posted by crayon:
regarding the watermark and fear of stolen images, while it is a valid concern, it is not a valid reason to stop the submission image size increase for the site. you have a choice. you either take advantage of the new larger size, or you can continue submitting in current 640 limit.


Very true, crayon.
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