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04/22/2007 02:48:08 AM · #651
Speaking of perspective shift - just for fun:



And Don, this link is for you. I didn't get there yesterday, but I will definitely be getting there before the exhibition closes. Any other Team Suckers on this side of the pond interested?

What does the jellyfish want?
04/22/2007 03:14:50 AM · #652
Much to my surprise......score, number of comments, and a fave....go figure!

Landscape III
Votes: 217 Views: 290
Avg Vote: 6.0183
Comments: 18 Favorites: 1

I kinda have an okay one for kitchenware.....it's a decent pic, but it just doesn't beg for attention. I dunno whether to submit or not.
04/22/2007 03:19:01 AM · #653
Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by raish:

This one needed too much editing for the present challenge -



but I'm in the kitchen...

SH*T!

That just makes me want to unsubmit my Thirds entry......that's not good enough?


I think it's good too (which is why I was showing it off), but it needed too much perspective correction from the original to be allowed in basic editing.

Okay.....you completely lost me......'splain it s l o w and use small words.
04/22/2007 04:19:39 AM · #654
It's not like, "oh this picture is too poopy for entering, I don't like it it won't do well, etc". But instead, "the correction I had to do wouldn't be legal in Basic".

That's my understanding anyway :-)
04/22/2007 06:26:20 AM · #655
Originally posted by WriteHeart:

Hello to all!

Is anyone planning on joining the DPL when it starts again? Is anyone already on a team? Just curious. I like to compete and think that it would be fun.


I'm gonna try it. I'm on team Goldeneye.
04/22/2007 06:43:01 AM · #656
Originally posted by formerlee:


What, Deb? A Hoover who can't find something that sucks?? I will do Kitchen in the morning, it will probably be down to my usual satndard.


OK. I shot for "Kitchen" this morning. Haven't looked at 'em yet so don't know if they're halfway decent, but I may enter. It's all your fault.

Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:

Though please try and be original. For the chains challenge, I ended up critiquing about 5-6 chain macros, it's a pretty dull challenge interpretation... I'm already dreading the bokeh after bokeh and wooden spoon on black background macros to come...


Apologies in advance. :-)
04/22/2007 07:07:34 AM · #657
So I caved and entered my uninspired Kitchenware shot.....I'll probably regret it, but I like the subject and the whole thing gives me kitchen envy.

If I do sucky, I'm blamin' Deb!.......8>)
04/22/2007 07:08:33 AM · #658
Hey, what happened to my OOBIE icon on my profile page?

It says that the image is gone......was I rescinded????
04/22/2007 07:15:44 AM · #659
I'm in kitchen and I think it's kinda funny but I imagine I will get some DNMC.

04/22/2007 08:12:58 AM · #660
Someone explain "perspective shift" to me please ??

I'm guessing it's something I can't do in PSE 4.
04/22/2007 08:53:34 AM · #661
Originally posted by kashi:

Someone explain "perspective shift" to me please ??

I'm guessing it's something I can't do in PSE 4.


I'm guessing you can. (Been wrong before).

If you have a picture of, say, a building that's been taken from the ground, so that it all gets alarmingly thinner at the top, then 'perspective correction' may be handy. For the sake of trying it out, if you don't actually have anything that needs it, you can use some picture that looks ok to start with and add the goofy effect of perspective.

It only works on a 'separate' layer.

Layer - Duplicate Layer will do it, or:

Ctrl-A to define the whole image,
Ctrl-C to clip it.
Ctrl-V to paste it.

When I do that in Photoshop Elements (which doesn't have a number, so I think it's pre 4.0), the new layer already has a dotted line around it with those funny square handles for moving it around. This may just mean that I can right-click in it and get a little menu with 'Free Transform' at the top of it and a list of amusing things that can be done while free transforming, e.g. Scale, Free Rotate, Distort, Skew and Perspective.

Another way to get to free transform is via the 'Image' button at the top, which gives you a drop-down menu that includes 'Transform', which in turn provides a fly-out list with 'Free Transform' at the top. It also indicates the shortcut Ctrl-T which should also get you into the free transform modus.

Once you're in Free Transform, nothing else works. You have to hit 'Enter' to get out of it. Likewise the sub-categories. So if you do a bit of perspective and want to do a bit of skew, you have to get out of Free Transform and then go back in.

So - get a layer, make sure it's the layer you're in (i.e. highlighted in the layers palette), then activate Free Transform by one of the alternatives you have. Find one of the menus with 'Perspective' in it, then click on that and start playing with it. (To coin a phrase). Essentially what happens is that when you drag one of the corners then the corner at the other end of the line along which you're dragging it moves the same amount in the opposite direction.

Don't know if there's any sense to be made from what I've typed in here, but try anyway, it's a useful tool.
04/22/2007 08:55:45 AM · #662
There are a couple of ways to "shift perspective" that I know of, some of which probably require illicit substances...

In Photoshop, however, there's a "lens correction" filter that lets you shift perspective. I'm not very adept at using it but I have tried it. You can also, when you crop, check a little box marked "perspective" so you can pull or push the corners of your cropping box, rather than using the corners to enlarge or reduce the area of your crop.

I believe Mr Too ( timfythetoo) uses PSE, so I'll ask if he knows.

And I'm about to enter "Kitchenware", she said proudly! I actually really like my shot! And yes, I know that's not a good sign at all. But it was kinda fun. Had an idea while doing kitchen chores, shot a couple, built upon that idea, shot a couple more. Think it looks pretty good. And here I was thinking I'd sit it out...

Now Rule of Thirds - that's a different story. I have a bunch I'd like to enter, but they meet MY rule of thirds, probably not everyone else's.
04/22/2007 08:57:27 AM · #663
Or you could just go with what Raish said. I forgot about the whole "transform" thingie, mainly because when I try to use it, I keep screwing it up. I may try to post an example later on. Gotta go do the next load of laundry and find lunch.
04/22/2007 09:11:51 AM · #664
Originally posted by Melethia:

Speaking of perspective shift - just for fun:




Cute! I'm left wondering why the figure on the left is posed with a saw. Do you happen to know any of the history behind it? Usually if the figure is a saint, the object of the saint's martyrdom is included in the depiction - was he sawed to death?? Or was he just renowned for being a really good woodsman? :)
04/22/2007 09:43:45 AM · #665
Sorry, not familiar with the history of the guys in the doorway (these are a couple of the guys in the doorway). I did learn that the Dom itself (this is the Dom in Cologne) took over 600 years to build due to lack of funds, and that it didn't get bombed in WWII (though the rest of Cologne was pretty much destroyed) because the pilots used it as a reference point. The thing is HUGE. Really a neat place to visit - I highly recommend it. One of our group even went to confession while she was there. I'll post more pics later!
04/22/2007 10:10:44 AM · #666
I finally had a chance to listen to Jeffrey's interview on DPC Podcast. I was truly impressed - you're a natural! It was a lot of fun to listen to Team Suck getting air time.

Edit to add: Just discovered DPC Trivia. Uh oh. Another addiction coming up, I fear :-) I love trivia.

Message edited by author 2007-04-22 10:11:29.
04/22/2007 10:19:10 AM · #667
My landscape shot currently has 18 comments. Apparently, it's one of these images where the people either LOVE it, or they HATE it.
04/22/2007 10:33:35 AM · #668
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Hey, what happened to my OOBIE icon on my profile page?

It says that the image is gone......was I rescinded????


Ha! That would be way too sophisticated for Team Suck. If we were going to rescind your OOBIE, we would be surrounding your house with torches in our hands. I don't know what image you were using but if you use the img tag with //blackyak.com/dpc/sucker.gif it should work ad infinitum.

And Deb, WOW!! Those photographs surrounded by strange gibberish look beautiful! Is this Man Ray or photographers doing tributes to Man Ray?
04/22/2007 10:33:39 AM · #669
Well, were on our way down to Ann Arbor to vist our daughter so hopefuly I can get a "Rule of thirds" shot on the way.
04/22/2007 10:36:23 AM · #670
I'm writing up a tutorial on perspective adjustment using Photoshop. I've got most of the images made up; I just need to write up the explanations.
04/22/2007 10:53:20 AM · #671
Help, I have a shot for 3erds, I use Elements4, is there a thirds grid I cant find, or is there another way to get perfect third points. I have no doubt that some voters will sit there with a ruler just so they can write DNMC comments.
04/22/2007 11:13:17 AM · #672
You know, that whole "sit there with rulers" or "turn grid on to vote" crowd may inspire me to enter a really rockin' "thirds" shot that doesn't meet the grid rule. But it's in thirds. :-) We'll see how adventurous I'm feelin' come submission time.

Don - about the exhibit - I do have a brochure I picked up that has an English bit in it, but I'm not planning to retype the whole thing. Basically, yes, they have some Man Ray, and they also have a TON of other folks. The exhibit name is based on a question raised by Christopher Williams (I've personally known two guys with that name - it's neither of the ones I know). The jellyfish (no shape, no skeleton, no sex - a creature without qualities) is a metaphor for photography in contemporary art. From the brochure: "What is photography? Copy of reality or data source that may be altered as desired? Documentation or staged image? Found footage or fine art print? With three historical links back to the avant-garde at the dawn of the 20th Century, the exhibition shows current tendencies in photography against the backdrop of its traditions."

I do plan to go. I'd love to take pictures, but I'm betting it's prohibited. :-) There is a catalogue (so says the brochure) and if it contains the works in the exhibit, or at least a number of them, I may well purchase said catalogue at an exhorbitant price (moreso considering the conversion rate) then ship it around to those interested. I'd eventually want it back. I'm sure this will make a lot more sense to some of you than it does to me, for I am educated on the scientific side (and have forgotten most of that) and have no art background to speak of (though my mother did assure me I once fingerpainted.)

Here's more info - you can put that page into Google's translation tool for a rough idea.

Message edited by author 2007-04-22 11:15:05.
04/22/2007 11:41:10 AM · #673
That exhibit sounds divine and everyone on dpc needs to go see it, especially me.

And now, some serious Team Suck interviewage...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=556703&page=1#3570427
04/22/2007 03:35:14 PM · #674
rule of thirds cropping
04/22/2007 04:00:53 PM · #675
Mary, Thank you ever so much...
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