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04/21/2007 07:43:30 AM · #1 |
bookmark this thread, just in case you ever need reminding about how to talk to your children. in the following link, Alec Baldwin leaves no stone unturned. click the link, scroll down to the "Click to Hear", and listen to the end...you will be enlightened.
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04/21/2007 09:06:31 AM · #2 |
Personally, I think they both suck as parents. Something like that should've never made it to the media and in my eyes there is only one person that had the access and the motive to let it be leaked. I feel so uncomfortable hearing something like that and that poor girl being in the middle of these nuts her whole life....
just sad all the way around. :( |
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04/21/2007 09:17:37 AM · #3 |
i totally agree with you Jenn, its ridiculous that Ms. Bassinger gave that to the media. Too bad the little girl is in the middle of it all.
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04/21/2007 09:19:25 AM · #4 |
I agree also, I think the judge should be taking custody away from both parents.
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04/21/2007 09:30:40 AM · #5 |
My issue with this...like a person picked up for drunk driving...what are the odds that this was the first time they drove drunk??? It's just the first time they got caught! He takes out his frustration with his ex-wife on his daughter...she is just another female that is not doing what he wants!
I agree the Kim Bassinger is no saint in all this...but Baldwin crossed the line. Children look up to their parents...they love them unconditionally...and those words will be remembered by his daughter always. Not because the news media ran it...but, because they were said to her, in anger, by her father.
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 09:31:45.
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04/21/2007 10:47:22 AM · #6 |
actually they were said to the wife,via phone message recorder, who chose to let the daughter and the public listen.
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 10:48:15.
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04/21/2007 10:55:32 AM · #7 |
why is there a market for this stuff? Why can web sites like TMZ.com, and those tabloid show exist? Why can't the world find something better to do with it's time?
The real shame is the wasted energy of millions thinking/talking/being funny/caring about this tripe.
I've wasted enough of mine - moving on |
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04/21/2007 11:03:30 AM · #8 |
| While I could give a flying flip about Baldwin & Basinger, I do have some sympathy for the child involved. It's hard enough being a teenager/child these days. First, to have your psycho parents tearing at you from both sides and then to have the added burden of having it thrown out to the media. Well, I don't think any child is deserving of that. |
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04/21/2007 11:05:31 AM · #9 |
I'm trying to figure out why this was on the fronpage of the firiggen paper this morning ..
of all the lame news stories in the world .. jeeezzz
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04/21/2007 11:11:58 AM · #10 |
I don't think any of us really know anything substantial beyond these three things:
(1) Alec Baldwin and Kim Bassinger's divorce continues to be extremely bitter and messy.
(2) Every parent has at least one embarrassingly bad day and flies off the handle.
(3) No one except the family knows what really goes on in that family.
I'm not saying he's good, and I'm not saying he's bad. But whatever the truth is, it's undoubtedly filtered through #1, obscured by #3, and #2 makes it a bit more difficult to cast stones.
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 11:12:49.
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04/21/2007 11:20:40 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
actually they were said to the wife,via phone message recorder, who chose to let the daughter and the public listen. |
No, they were directed to the child. He was speaking directly to the child.
Originally posted by digitalknight:
why is there a market for this stuff? Why can web sites like TMZ.com, and those tabloid show exist? Why can't the world find something better to do with it's time?
The real shame is the wasted energy of millions thinking/talking/being funny/caring about this tripe.
I've wasted enough of mine - moving on |
1. Because they are celebrities.
2. Because it exposes something that most bad parents can easily keep hidden
3. It's not a bad thing, or a waste of energy to try to rescue a child from this type of bad parenting
4. Sweeping stuff like this under the rug is exactly what makes children grow up to be school shooters, mass murderers, etc!
How many children suffer this in silence without ever getting court intervention, simply because no one cares enough to intervene? If this was my child, I also would want the world to know why I don't want the child having interaction with the father.
Verbal abuse of a child has far reaching consequences. Trust me, they never forget!
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04/21/2007 11:30:39 AM · #12 |
| If Ms Bassinger leaked it out she probably did to convince people what he is really like. That outburst could be one of many and the reason they got divorced in the first place. I don't care how mad you are at your ex you shouldn't take it out on the kid. How do you think that made that littler girl feel to be called a spoiled rottin little pig. I have a 13 year old girl and no matter how mad I get at her at times I would never insult her intelligence etc. Granted we don't know all that went on in their marriage and I could really care less. But he did threaten her on the phone and I strongly feel he has probably done that before. For that he does not deserve to have any contact with his daughter until he can seek out some help. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ms Bassinger is any better but she has to be better than him. I feel for their daughter and hope she has the support system to get her through this. IMO. Unfortunately this is the price you pay to be a child of celebrities. Moments like this makes me feel good to be average and happy. |
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04/21/2007 11:49:15 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by BeckyT:
But he did threaten her on the phone and I strongly feel he has probably done that before. For that he does not deserve to have any contact with his daughter until he can seek out some help. |
Based on what, though? You yourself pointed out that it was leaked from sealed court records, probably by Kim, as a smear tactic. How can you assume anything based on one phone message that was leaked to the media with very strong and very obvious bias attached? And how could that possibly make Kim better than Alec, when, if it's true that she's behind the leak, she's now subjecting her own daughter to hearing it over and over and over in front of the entire world? Bad enough that it happened privately, now she has to relive it in public. Good job, Mom!
Anyway, I stand by my assertion that no one really knows anything beyond what you can see and that making assumptions based on a media frenzy designed to make the most out of the dispute and brought on by revenge tactics is highly irresponsible.
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 11:49:39.
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04/21/2007 12:27:03 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Anyway, I stand by my assertion that no one really knows anything beyond what you can see... |
And what we can see is that Alec Baldwin is a sputtering immature vulgarian with explosive personality disorder that has no business raising a child. Anyone who has the capacity to call a child a pig -- let alone one's own daughter -- has, as far as I'm concerned, rendered irrelevant any excuses he has for his behaviour.
Originally posted by Rebecca:
...making assumptions based on a media frenzy designed to make the most out of the dispute and brought on by revenge tactics is highly irresponsible. |
No, it's not irresponsible of the unwashed masses to make assumptions based on the face value of something like this. Aside from whatever motives any of these people have, and despite the gross irresponsiblity of both parents, this is being presented to you as entertainment, the girl's feelings and future be damned. Consider the source.
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04/21/2007 12:30:24 PM · #15 |
"No, they were directed to the child. He was speaking directly to the child."
I know that, but the child was not on the phone. It was recorded.
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04/21/2007 12:35:56 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Anyway, I stand by my assertion that no one really knows anything beyond what you can see... |
And what we can see is that Alec Baldwin is a sputtering immature vulgarian with explosive personality disorder that has no business raising a child. Anyone who has the capacity to call a child a pig -- let alone one's own daughter -- has, as far as I'm concerned, rendered irrelevant any excuses he has for his behaviour.
Originally posted by Rebecca:
...making assumptions based on a media frenzy designed to make the most out of the dispute and brought on by revenge tactics is highly irresponsible. |
No, it's not irresponsible of the unwashed masses to make assumptions based on the face value of something like this. Aside from whatever motives any of these people have, and despite the gross irresponsiblity of both parents, this is being presented to you as entertainment, the girl's feelings and future be damned. Consider the source. |
I'm not saying the message he left was excusable. I'm saying it's one very small piece of a set of lives that we otherwise know nothing about. There's a difference between bad parenting and being a bad parent. If you have a moment or two of bad parenting - very likely, considering the standard length of that career - it doesn't make you a bad parent. Bad parenting happens to good parents from time. Alec Baldwin should apologize to his daughter, and from what I understand this already happened. Does this mean we can all jump on the "Alec Baldwin is a bad parent" bandwagon? No. Because we frankly don't know anything beyond what was leaked in bad faith. We get to see one moment. A single moment upon which people are making snap judgments when, if it were they who were caught at their worst by the media, they'd be pointing out exactly what I'm trying to get across: you don't know these people, you've been exposed to one very short moment of a very long life, and making a judgment based on that is just stupid.
Message edited by author 2007-04-21 12:39:33.
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04/21/2007 12:55:18 PM · #17 |
i agree, rebecca. i lovel my son, and do the best i can by him. but, if someone took last monday night as a representative of what happens in our house, i would be up for bad parent of the year. whereas, it was quick reaction on the part of an exhausted mum to an exhausted child who was hitting all her buttons. am i proud of it? (i did not hit him, but came damn close) absolutely not. however, i am human, and i know that 99.99999% of the time i do a pretty good job.
in this situation, we're hearing something completey out of context. it's their business.
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04/21/2007 03:41:59 PM · #18 |
It's definitely a context thing for me.. I really can't make judgments on people based on one moment ..
Different people give their children different exposures of their anger, problems or even vulgarity..
Eating at a friend's place I found out about how casually her parents swore at her and she swore back. Then they would start giggling. I was very shocked because my parents have never sworn in front of me much less at me.. In school I realized I was in the minority about this. Most people had their parents call them names when they pissed them off..
The kid is probably used to having her father react like that in anger... most children read their parents like a book.. the unpredictability factor is usually nil.. what probably upset her more was those words being splattered around everywhere...
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04/21/2007 03:46:40 PM · #19 |
I will start off by saying that I don't like Mr. Baldwin or his politics.
But, after listening to the recording I have to say that it is a father who was pretty pissed off at his daughter and probably said a few things that he shouldn't but we don't know the rest of the story. We don't know the whole story and what events built up to this. I'm guessing that the "pig" comment is what has set everyone off but if you remove that from the recording then the rest is just a father being very upset at his daughter and telling her that he is going to "straighten her out" (what ever that means).
In any divorce, the father has the weakest hand and the mother has the strongest hand. Manipulation occurs in both directions (I've seen this personally with someone close to me). It is always sad because the children are the innocent ones yet they end up in the middle of this.
For records that are supposed to be sealed I would question why this tape was released? What was the motivation other then to hurt the father. Presumably the judge already heard the tape so there was no reason to let it out anymore. Now the child has to see/hear this stuff over the internet and on the news which will probably harden her even more against her father. Was that the intent of the mother? If so then shame on her.
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04/21/2007 05:09:11 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by jenesis:
Personally, I think they both suck as parents. Something like that should've never made it to the media and in my eyes there is only one person that had the access and the motive to let it be leaked. I feel so uncomfortable hearing something like that and that poor girl being in the middle of these nuts her whole life....
just sad all the way around. :( |
I agree. The whole story isn't being told here, and it's just painful to watch a little girl's life be ripped apart because of two parents that are less mature than she is.
I also place a little blame on society at large, because people can't *#%&)*#% leave celebrities alone, constantly want to know about their personal, private lives, make rumor/trash mags like "The Enquirer" and "The Star" best-selling popular publications, and help contribute to this sort of thing in the first place. |
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04/21/2007 05:24:37 PM · #21 |
Whatever happens in the divorce, Alec Baldwins character has officially been assassinated. If you just didn't care before, you don't like him now. If you didn't like him before, you probably hate him now.
Glenn - from the audio, I can't figure that her life was that great before. |
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04/21/2007 05:29:21 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Glenn - from the audio, I can't figure that her life was that great before. |
I wasn't commenting specifically on this incident. |
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04/21/2007 07:03:30 PM · #23 |
| We all as parents fly off the handle occassionally... I am a mother of boys, but as a girl I know that if my Dad called me a "fat little pig" it would totally devistate me. It would seriously crush me. He went TOO far, and maybe he is a good guy, and maybe she (Kim) drove him to it, and we all know she released the recording which only did further damage to Ireland so it all comes down to bad parenting and just plain being bad human beings. Its just horrible that people can't divorce amicably and do whats best for their children and not themselves. I feel so sorry for that little girl. Everyone needs to realize that women and girls today already have body image issues, some things just aren't acceptable to say anymore, just like the "N word". He was wrong for saying it and She was wrong for publicizing it. |
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04/21/2007 07:21:22 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by dleach:
I'm guessing that the "pig" comment is what has set everyone off but if you remove that from the recording then the rest is just ... |
But unfortunately, we can't do that. |
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04/21/2007 07:49:04 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by xianart:
i agree, rebecca. i lovel my son, and do the best i can by him. but, if someone took last monday night as a representative of what happens in our house, i would be up for bad parent of the year. whereas, it was quick reaction on the part of an exhausted mum to an exhausted child who was hitting all her buttons. am i proud of it? (i did not hit him, but came damn close) absolutely not. however, i am human, and i know that 99.99999% of the time i do a pretty good job.
in this situation, we're hearing something completey out of context. it's their business. |
Thats a great point, to often we take these snap shots of what we hear and see and think that is how it always is. I think he was an idiot for saying what he did but I do not know what the rest of his relationship has been like so passing judgement is a dangerous thing! Still I think he is a jerk...lol |
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