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04/18/2007 04:04:34 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, it's an arrogant opinion. |
Ya know...if you feel better attacking me...fine. I think the discussion has run its course.
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04/18/2007 04:07:34 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
You have your opinion MK and I have mine. That's what makes the world go round.
Peace,
g |
That was exactly my point initially which is why I advocate allowing people to vote (and likewise comment) as they see fit. Makes the photo world go 'round. I'm not entirely clear what your argument is, aside from the fact that my attitude is apparently wrong. |
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04/18/2007 04:12:10 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, it's an arrogant opinion. |
Ya know...if you feel better attacking me...fine. I think the discussion has run its course. |
I'm not attacking you. I don't know if you're arrogant or not.
Your opinion that all photographers on DPC that enter challenges are motivated to do so based primarily on what they will learn from the experience simply because you do so yourself is what's arrogant. |
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04/18/2007 04:28:30 PM · #79 |
i'm guessing we won't see another photo of the london eye entered here for quite awhile ;}
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04/18/2007 04:32:56 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by soup:
i'm guessing we won't see another photo of the london eye entered here for quite awhile ;} |
Oh! Was that what this thread was about? :) |
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04/18/2007 04:36:12 PM · #81 |
Message edited by author 2007-04-18 16:39:26.
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04/18/2007 04:37:05 PM · #82 |
Message edited by author 2007-04-18 16:39:39.
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04/18/2007 04:53:09 PM · #83 |
well - not exactly. but it's probably true... though wouldn't be the case had this discussion not been started...
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by soup:
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i'm guessing we won't see another photo of the london eye entered here for quite awhile ;}
Oh! Was that what this thread was about? :) |
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04/18/2007 06:48:41 PM · #84 |
| I voted down the photo in question for being unoriginal. I also voted down the ribbon winner for being unoriginal. And I would do it again. |
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04/18/2007 06:55:53 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I voted down the photo in question for being unoriginal. I also voted down the ribbon winner for being unoriginal. And I would do it again. |
Another badge of honor! :-D
Man I am having the best week ever. A Ribbon, new 17-35 and a "You wish you sucked like me" vote from Don. :-P
Message edited by author 2007-04-18 18:56:35. |
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04/18/2007 07:58:56 PM · #86 |
For everyone in here that was advocating (incorrectly) that DPC is *primarily* a teaching site, I would ferverently hope that you realize this knowledge that is so valued comes from entering COMPETITIONS, and is based in large part on the comments received.
If someone could please explain to me how bashing commenters leads to more comments, I'd be pleased to consider that explanation. The way I see it right now is that bashing commenters is much more likely to lead to less commenting, not more.
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04/18/2007 08:08:06 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I voted down the photo in question for being unoriginal. I also voted down the ribbon winner for being unoriginal. And I would do it again. |
Another badge of honor! :-D
Man I am having the best week ever. A Ribbon, new 17-35 and a "You wish you sucked like me" vote from Don. :-P |
Wait a minute... how did this get to be about you? I'm talking about London Eye photos. :P |
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04/18/2007 08:17:14 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by L2:
For everyone in here that was advocating (incorrectly) that DPC is *primarily* a teaching site, I would ferverently hope that you realize this knowledge that is so valued comes from entering COMPETITIONS, and is based in large part on the comments received.
If someone could please explain to me how bashing commenters leads to more comments, I'd be pleased to consider that explanation. The way I see it right now is that bashing commenters is much more likely to lead to less commenting, not more. |
I must confess this seems true. I commented on pictures that I scored lower to explain what I saw and why I scored it lower because I love it when people explain that to me (that's the only way I will get better). However, I would have people e-mailing me telling me that I was wrong, or that they meant to have it blurry, blown out,(insert whatever here) etc. Unfortunately, I got very tired of leaving comments to people who didn't want to hear them at all. (and yes, I commented on something positive first and I thought I was very polite in what I said and the way I said it)
I wish there was a way to put on the photo during voting whether comments are desired or not. That would seem to save a lot of time and headaches for those who want to comment, but don't want to comment for those who don't desire it.
Anyway, just my 2 cents worth. :-)
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04/18/2007 08:41:12 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by WriteHeart:
[quote=L2]
I wish there was a way to put on the photo during voting whether comments are desired or not. That would seem to save a lot of time and headaches for those who want to comment, but don't want to comment for those who don't desire it.
Anyway, just my 2 cents worth. :-) |
But, of couse, they do want your comments -- your comments acknowledging their photographic genious, that is. ;)
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04/18/2007 08:53:11 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by L2:
For everyone in here that was advocating (incorrectly) that DPC is *primarily* a teaching site, I would ferverently hope that you realize this knowledge that is so valued comes from entering COMPETITIONS, and is based in large part on the comments received.
If someone could please explain to me how bashing commenters leads to more comments, I'd be pleased to consider that explanation. The way I see it right now is that bashing commenters is much more likely to lead to less commenting, not more. |
I agree with what you say, thou there is an ellement of voters that only seem to see the bad in photo's, or as stated not original, rather than try to see the photo from the photographers reason for entering, and the technical merit of the photos, I enjoy constructive criticism but not if it is used as a deliberate reason for voting down a photo.
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04/18/2007 09:03:50 PM · #91 |
I keep hearing about these people who don't appreciate comments. I can honestly say I've never received one PM from such.
I have noticed, very occasionally, someone who seems to only check as helpful complimentary comments. But of course, I only see that after the challenge is over.
Don't let it slow you down. Comment away!
And please, please, please remember that the photographer in this case isn't upset and didn't complain. Karen, I have no problem with your raising the discussion, I just want the credit or blame going the right direction. :)
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04/18/2007 09:05:58 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by hywind:
... thou there is an ellement of voters that only seem to see the bad in photo's, or as stated not original, rather than try to see the photo from the photographers reason for entering, and the technical merit of the photos, |
It's really not the voter's job to evaluate the psychology of the photographer and the why/wherefore they decided to enter. It's the voter's job to evaluate the image in front of them, period.
Every voter will bring their own set of personal experiences to their evaluation, but at the end of the day an image needs impact to do well. That's a fact. We might wish for everyone else to treat us like we were in kindergarten and give us extra points 'cause we tried hard, but it's not going happen.
Originally posted by hywind:
I enjoy constructive criticism but not if it is used as a deliberate reason for voting down a photo. |
This statement appears to be a contradiction. Is it that you'd rather they just vote you low without an explanation? Or is it that you'd rather they give the criticism and vote you high anyway?
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04/18/2007 09:29:30 PM · #93 |
Lawl.
This is a bit late,
but just for the record I've never seen a single shot of an egg on this site.
Ever.
=)
I've not been here long.
Also, I took that shot around easter.
It's an easter egg.
I didn't even plan to take the picture.
=P
There's your originality on my Night shot. |
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04/18/2007 10:50:34 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Beautiful-Joe:
Lawl.
This is a bit late,
but just for the record I've never seen a single shot of an egg on this site.
Ever.
=)
I've not been here long.
Also, I took that shot around easter.
It's an easter egg.
I didn't even plan to take the picture.
=P
There's your originality on my Night shot. |
Joe, you've just experienced what you might have made k4ffy feel when you said it was "obvious" he was trying to ride the coattails of the ribbon winner. If you read his first post in this thread, which was before you said what you said, you'll see he actually shot his first.
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04/18/2007 11:03:01 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by hywind:
... thou there is an ellement of voters that only seem to see the bad in photo's, or as stated not original, rather than try to see the photo from the photographers reason for entering, and the technical merit of the photos, |
It's really not the voter's job to evaluate the psychology of the photographer and the why/wherefore they decided to enter. It's the voter's job to evaluate the image in front of them, period.
Every voter will bring their own set of personal experiences to their evaluation, but at the end of the day an image needs impact to do well. That's a fact. We might wish for everyone else to treat us like we were in kindergarten and give us extra points 'cause we tried hard, but it's not going happen.
Originally posted by hywind:
I enjoy constructive criticism but not if it is used as a deliberate reason for voting down a photo. |
This statement appears to be a contradiction. Is it that you'd rather they just vote you low without an explanation? Or is it that you'd rather they give the criticism and vote you high anyway? |
Some of the reasons are so wierd that they do not have any significance in relation to the photo. Just had a comment in a current challenge about lighting, it does not appear the commenter looked to see the direction the lighting is comming from but made the comment any way, this is what I mean. You win some and loose some, and voting comments could be discussed till the end of day, but I do see where the creator of this thread is comming from.
I also believe the commenters that saw this photo and left the comments they did, forgot that the challenge was about NIGHT PHOTGRAPHY , so what if the suject had been used before. This is what makes DPC so interesting seeing different photographers use of subjects.
Message edited by author 2007-04-18 23:16:15.
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04/18/2007 11:18:26 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Beautiful-Joe:
Lawl.
This is a bit late,
but just for the record I've never seen a single shot of an egg on this site.
Ever.
=)
I've not been here long.
Also, I took that shot around easter.
It's an easter egg.
I didn't even plan to take the picture.
=P
There's your originality on my Night shot. |
Joe, you've just experienced what you might have made k4ffy feel when you said it was "obvious" he was trying to ride the coattails of the ribbon winner. If you read his first post in this thread, which was before you said what you said, you'll see he actually shot his first. |
But you see.. He has been here longer than I have.
Not to mention that image didn't look a thing like my image.
Nor was it a popular attraction
it wasn't even the same color.
XD
The images from London are the same thing.. Exact same thing.
Almost from the exact same perspective.
Even if he wasn't trying to ride on the other image,
the image lacks originality.. Plain and simple.
It's almost a fact, really..
There are so many pictures of that thing that even the first image taken of it could hardly be considered creative.
Every photographer adds their own creative twist to it when editing,
But to take a picture of something so popular without expecting those sorts of comments is just.. Well, senseless.
I'm glad to see that he wasn't the creator of this board. It isn't a bad picture. It's very nice.. As I've said six thousand times.. But get it through your thick skulls.. It is not completely original. Jeez.. Bring on the wine for Bubbles II.. |
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04/18/2007 11:52:28 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by L2:
For everyone in here that was advocating (incorrectly) that DPC is *primarily* a teaching site, ... |
I'm probably going to regret asking the question but if DPC is NOT "*primarily*" a teaching site then just what is it?
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04/19/2007 12:45:13 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by L2:
For everyone in here that was advocating (incorrectly) that DPC is *primarily* a teaching site, ... |
I'm probably going to regret asking the question but if DPC is NOT "*primarily*" a teaching site then just what is it? |
It's *primarily* a challenge site. A competition. Fun. (or should be). Secondarily, it's a community website, popularity contest, forums. Only in third would I list it as having anything to do with teaching.
I'd like to see examples of where actual *teaching* is going on that would make it the primary aspect of this website. The tutorials? There are just over 50 in 5 years.. that's 10 a year. I'd hardly call that primary.. and *most* of them have come along just in the last little while by a few people. The occasional person that passes along how they process? Again.. hardly primary.
The learning/teaching aspect of this site is a good one. There is no doubt that as people partake in the primary aspect, which are the challenges, they learn. But to call this a primary teaching site is just being blind or over-zealous.
This could change in the future, but I don't see it. The call of the ribbon is still too strong. The quest for popularity never-ending.
No.. DPC is definitely not a website where *teaching* takes any kind of forefront at this time.
Message edited by author 2007-04-19 00:47:45. |
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04/19/2007 12:48:55 AM · #99 |
 the best shot of the London Eye on DPC IMO, and he found a way to deal with the trees too :)
I see both sides of this argument, Karen saw something she didn't like and wanted to defend a photo, I can understand that. But then the commentors are forced to defend their comments in the forums which in the end I think makes voters less likely to give constructive criticism, which is what I assume we all want, regardless if we are trying to win or not. If someone thinks your photo idea isn't original or overdone they have every right to let you know, that is the point of comments are no? On the otherside, you don't have to agree with the comments received on any image, obviously beautiful-joe ain't changing his opinion, he doesn't have to. Just some thoughts.
One Final thought: THE WARRIORS ARE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 13 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
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04/19/2007 12:51:42 AM · #100 |
LET"S GO WARRIORS!!! HUGE WIN TONIGHT!!
Now back on topic.......... |
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