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07/10/2003 04:01:34 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by DavidLevin:
People have different ideas on how to vote on a photo and forums are the place where they are shared to clear up anything that might be on their minds or change their opinion about something to make things more fair on this website. forums are productive and educational, and if you dont approve of them, just dont participate. |
David -
As the search function does not work on the forums yet (Well, Mavrik's page does anyways!) a lot of the same subjects get discussed every month as new people join DPC. I was looking for some information a while back and was going through the forums from last year and I saw the exact same threads about editing, voting styles etc. While I agree that forums can be used for education and the open discussion of ideas, I can also understand that the poor dead horse gets the crap beat out of it daily here.
You're also advocating free discussion in the forums, but then go on to ask someone to not to participate if they don't like what is being said. If it's an open discussion, then everyone should be allowed to say what they feel, regardless of whether they agree with it or not. They should be prepared with an asbestos suit for the flames if they are taking the unpopular side of a contentious issue though!
I think that the rehashing of old discussions may be a major factor in people wanting the ability to hide threads. |
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07/10/2003 10:35:19 AM · #27 |
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Message edited by author 2003-07-10 13:54:39.
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07/10/2003 01:48:55 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by jillz:
You're also advocating free discussion in the forums, but then go on to ask someone to not to participate if they don't like what is being said. If it's an open discussion, then everyone should be allowed to say what they feel, regardless of whether they agree with it or not. They should be prepared with an asbestos suit for the flames if they are taking the unpopular side of a contentious issue though |
He didn't ask or tell the person not to participate, just pointed out that if someone is tired of a subject, they don't have to participate in this particular thread or discussion. He didn't even say, not even imply, that they couldn't say what they said. He simply defended his posting of the comments and offered someone who appeared upset with a topic a solution for not being upset. I thought he put it very tactfully, to boot.
If I'm at a party and I walk up to a group of people who are discussing something I've heard discussed a million times, I can offer my input, I can sit back and listen to see if anything interesting or new is said of the topic, or I can walk away and find another conversation. But it's pretty rude if I walk up to those people and say "Hey, that topic's been beaten to death, shut up and talk about something else!"
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 13:49:48. |
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07/10/2003 03:20:59 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by jillz:
You're also advocating free discussion in the forums, but then go on to ask someone to not to participate if they don't like what is being said. If it's an open discussion, then everyone should be allowed to say what they feel, regardless of whether they agree with it or not. They should be prepared with an asbestos suit for the flames if they are taking the unpopular side of a contentious issue though |
He didn't ask or tell the person not to participate, just pointed out that if someone is tired of a subject, they don't have to participate in this particular thread or discussion. He didn't even say, not even imply, that they couldn't say what they said. He simply defended his posting of the comments and offered someone who appeared upset with a topic a solution for not being upset. I thought he put it very tactfully, to boot.
If I'm at a party and I walk up to a group of people who are discussing something I've heard discussed a million times, I can offer my input, I can sit back and listen to see if anything interesting or new is said of the topic, or I can walk away and find another conversation. But it's pretty rude if I walk up to those people and say "Hey, that topic's been beaten to death, shut up and talk about something else!" |
Thanks for the backup.
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07/10/2003 03:23:47 PM · #30 |
Here's my comment from the "other" thread which seems in a similar vein:
I think people's interpretation of "on topic" is far too narrow, at least of those who comment on how important meeting the challenge is. These challenges are not, as is often alluded, a magazine assignment to "shoot a picture of 'X' in a vertical format." This is more like an art class, where you are supposed to give a creative interpretation of the topic.
I think very few people submit photos which are actually "off-topic," although there are usually quite a few which may take more than five seconds to understand the relationship. If you don't "get it" right away, maybe you need to think about it for a while before hitting that three button.
Personally, I would tend to vote a photo with a subtle or odd (but valid) relationship to the topic HIGHER for not being obviously "on-topic."
Not related to my entry:
Fireworks 2003 |
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07/10/2003 04:13:26 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Here's my comment from the "other" thread which seems in a similar vein:
I think people's interpretation of "on topic" is far too narrow, at least of those who comment on how important meeting the challenge is. These challenges are not, as is often alluded, a magazine assignment to "shoot a picture of 'X' in a vertical format." This is more like an art class, where you are supposed to give a creative interpretation of the topic. |
In that case I think 'Speed' challenge should have not featured the prescription: 'Convey the feeling or illusion of speed' - which, from your comment above, is a totally unnecessary 'instruction' now that we have a new 'do-what-you-like-as-long-as-there's-a-tenuous-connection-with-the-title' rule. ;)
Some people have slow connections and voting/commenting on all images can take time. By sticking closer to the brief, it might slim down the challenges or fine-tune people's inspiration and focus. People will be less likely to submit off-brief pics - and there won't be so many tedious threads like this! :)
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07/10/2003 04:19:00 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Some people have slow connections and voting/commenting on all images can take time. By sticking closer to the brief, it might slim down the challenges or fine-tune people's inspiration and focus. People will be less likely to submit off-brief pics - and there won't be so many tedious threads like this! :) |
It has never stopped them before. Most of these threads come across as being entirely futile, particularly as the main point is it is supposed to be left open to interpretation. Trying to force your personal view on others is going to be frustrating at best.
So yes, some people view it as a very stringent requirement to be totally 'on brief' and others view it as a liberal artistic theme to be interpreted as they see fit. And both are entirely valid and correct, to much gnashing of teeth and complaining from the 'other side' of any particular approach.
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 16:21:03. |
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07/10/2003 04:56:04 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Here's my comment from the "other" thread which seems in a similar vein:
I think people's interpretation of "on topic" is far too narrow, at least of those who comment on how important meeting the challenge is. These challenges are not, as is often alluded, a magazine assignment to "shoot a picture of 'X' in a vertical format." This is more like an art class, where you are supposed to give a creative interpretation of the topic.
I think very few people submit photos which are actually "off-topic," although there are usually quite a few which may take more than five seconds to understand the relationship. If you don't "get it" right away, maybe you need to think about it for a while before hitting that three button.
Personally, I would tend to vote a photo with a subtle or odd (but valid) relationship to the topic HIGHER for not being obviously "on-topic." |
Some people give points off for a photo not being exactly on topic, that of course is wrong. I agree with you General, but not to the extent that someone just takes a photo at night and thinks it fits the challenge, "a night on the town". What people have to understand is just because a certain aspect of the challenge topic may include for example, night, doesnt mean that singling out that one particular aspect and taking photographs with it would be appropriate for a submission.
I also agree with you on your last paragraph although its risky to submit a photo that which people have to look at it for a long time to see how its related because many voters will not spend much time trying to interpret a photo to see how it fits. But yeah, if its not obvious how a picture fits, I do give a higher score. IMHO
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