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04/04/2007 08:08:51 PM · #26

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by Judi:
You may not:
add graphics or clip art images to your entry or its border during editing.

You may:
apply a full range of editing tools to all or part of your entry.

Editing tool (allowed) vs Graphics (not allowed)

To me it's clear which the planets are.

Okay...and what about the flood tool (also by Flaming Pear)...where half the image is turned to water. Is that allowed in Expert Editing?

04/04/2007 08:10:23 PM · #27

And what about adding birds via the paintbrush in Expert Editing? Is that allowed?

04/04/2007 08:11:55 PM · #28

I could accept this DQ if the rules were the same across the board for all entries.

I understand this is still a Trial...but that is why I am bringing this discussion to the members...to clarify your rules to make this problem solved for all members in future challenges.

Is that wrong?

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/04/2007 08:18:26 PM · #29

Originally posted by Judi:

I could accept this DQ if the rules were the same across the board for all entries.

To whatever expent possible, they are. My understanding is that you can clone, distort, filter and draw in stuff to your heart's content in Expert, but you can't use clip art or photographs taken by other people and/or outside the challenge dates (the planets) in your composition. The only exception is images used as textures. Whether you paste them in directly or use a pre-made filter, those planets are still photographic images (real or CGI).

Message edited by author 2007-04-04 20:22:58.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

04/04/2007 08:18:53 PM · #30

Not to stir the pot or add fuel to the fire here, but I have used Flood in an expert entry, granted it didn't get called up for validation, but neither did it get DQd.

I agree there seems to be inconsistency here. Are all Photoshop Filters allowed in expert editing or no? If not, which ones are not allowed? Where is the line?

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/04/2007 08:22:45 PM · #31

Filters that affect your photo are allowed (including the flood one I guess, since that just duplicates your photo, flips it, and adds distortion) but "filters" that add things like planets or whatever are not. They shouldn't even be called filters really.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/04/2007 08:27:12 PM · #32

To put it simply, this is supposed to be a photography site, and anything that looks like a photo should BE a photo... taken by you and during the challenge dates. Otherwise, what's the point?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/04/2007 08:28:35 PM · #33

Okay this is my point. Can't you see the confusion here and the total contradiction.

Please please clarify the rules. Granted we are only competing for a virtual ribbon...but look at the upset that was caused over the April Fools Pranks.

This stuff is serious to some members...so give them some respect and write/right the rules so they know what they are to do.

Message edited by author 2007-04-04 20:29:13.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

04/04/2007 08:34:08 PM · #34

I'm just guessing this is all part of the orchestrated, ongoing April Fools joke.

The hilarity never ceases. :)

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

04/04/2007 08:37:37 PM · #35

If you choose "these words" as the rule and I follow the rule using "those words" then a disqualification is fair? The way I see it, either the image needs to be put back in or "the words" need to be fixed.

Nikon D200

04/04/2007 08:37:55 PM · #36

Originally posted by Judi:

And what about adding birds via the paintbrush in Expert Editing? Is that allowed?

This was asked and answered extensively in the thread that announced the Expert Editing (Trial) ruleset. Let's keep general discussion of the ruleset in the correct thread.

The original post appeared to be specific to the disqualification of one image in particular. Have those questions been resolved to your satisfaction, Judi? If not, let's keep this one on topic and confine it to the question of clip art and graphics and the application of that rule to your entry.

The rules clearly state that no clip art/graphics are to be added in post-processing. The penalty section goes the next step and adds that a DQ is enforced when a majority of the Site Council feels that ANY rule was violated.

Is your argument that the planets do not constitute graphics or clip art?

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

04/04/2007 08:46:08 PM · #37

Look....I agree that the planets are seen as graphics. But so are other forms of editing...and they are accepted.

So my question has NOT been answered. Why is that form of editing been seen differently to other similiar forms. When those forms result in an added subject to the image....they should all be treated the same. But they are not.

Hence my continuance of this topic. I would like to see a clarification. The Flaming Pear has many graphic/clip art like forms...some are accepted...others aren't...yet they are all classed as editing tools. The paint brush can be used to enhance or add to an image in the form of a subject...yet they are classed as editing tools even though they add a subject that was not there in the first place and can be seen as graphics or clip art. And they are allowed.

I am happy to accept the DQ....I don't care. But why should this rule not be clarified for other members that may not be so accepting or understanding...or in some cases...fluent in English to the point of understanding.

I get many PM's and emails from your members...many asking for help in understanding of rules or languages etc...I usually head them to you...but the fact is...many members do not understand fully the rules...and if there is even a small amount of grey area...then it is going to cause problems.

I am trying to work with Site Council in rectifying this situation. I am not trying to cause a headache...so please do not see it that way.

I am a member like you....and I am trying to sort this situation out...maybe not for my entry. I couldn't care less about that....but for other members....I do care!!!!

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

04/04/2007 08:49:17 PM · #38

We're getting closer....

(from over a year ago)
I wonder which will happen first:

1) The DPC rule book crosses the 500 page mark.
2) The site council become full-time employees and number into the hundreds.
3) No members will be allowed to enter a challenge without legal representation.
4) The ribbons get replaced by a $1,000 prize to justify the new rule book & employee costs, and memberships will now cost $50.00 per month.
5) All editing will be done using only Irfanview.
6) Drew & Langdon pull the plug and say screw it.

Something is bound to break soon. Hang on tight.

sher

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/04/2007 08:52:34 PM · #39

we do appreciate you trying to help. but, frankly, insinuating that the rules are different for different members does not help anyone and is not only insulting to the Admin. and SC but also the Member on the receiving end of the insinuation.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

04/04/2007 08:53:46 PM · #40

So the other members that also agreed that there was contradiction are also wrong?

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

04/04/2007 08:55:44 PM · #41

Never mind - I'll post this in the ruleset thread.

Message edited by author 2007-04-04 21:11:31.

sher

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/04/2007 09:00:40 PM · #42

yes...that applies to anyone who thinks that the SC has favorites. we make our decisions as fairly across the board as we possibly can...without regard to specific members.