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Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

03/21/2007 05:33:53 PM · #51

Yes I knew about the shutter speed- had said something about it earlier.

Apparently the lens is a nikon 18-70mm 2.8 lens. I'm trying to find it because I'm curious as to how much it really is. Anyone know of this lens?

We're not going to buy it from him obviously. Going to wait and see what kind of deals there are in the fall.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

03/21/2007 05:38:53 PM · #52

The 18-70 is a f/3.5-4.5 not a 2.8. I don't believe Nikon makes an 18-70 2.8. They do make a 17-55 f/2.8 that is a $1300 lens. I am pretty sure, since the 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 was the kit lens for the D70, that is the one he means.

kiwinick

Sony DSLR-A550

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

03/21/2007 05:52:01 PM · #53

my 2c worth go with the D80 latest model latest technology . The D70 is abit long in the tooth now

missinseattle

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

03/21/2007 05:58:43 PM · #54

so maybe that is the one he is talking about? the 1300 dollar one? He told dh it's a portrait lens. I'm assuming you would use a 2.8 for a portrait lens would you not?

So I guess if it IS that lens, then 1100 for the camera and THAT lens would probably be a deal then since the lens has never been used and camera only has a 100 some shots on it.

I'm going to hold off till fall. I've made it this long with my Oly I can make it through summer and fall too lol.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

03/21/2007 06:03:28 PM · #55

Originally posted by missinseattle:

So I guess if it IS that lens, then 1100 for the camera and THAT lens would probably be a deal then since the lens has never been used and camera only has a 100 some shots on it.

If that is the lens buy it! It would be like getting the camera for free. But I doubt it.

Good luck

LanceW

Nikon Z9

Nikon AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D

03/21/2007 06:04:35 PM · #56

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

I think you are missing the point. The point is that it is the same technology.

I don't think I'm missing anything. It's NOT the "SAME" technology, not by a long shot.

Again, you would have to use it though to appreciate the difference.

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

03/21/2007 06:07:48 PM · #57

If you're still interested in the D70 (which I think is a good choice if you want something now, and can get a good deal, because you can turn around and sell it when you have the money for the D80), you might check your local craigslist. I see used D70's pop up all the time on the San Diego craigslist, and I'd assume other locations are similar. The advantage over ebay is that you can actually touch the camera you'll be buying, and make sure the deal is legit before you pay. And you can get the camera right away, instead of waiting for it to be shipped. I'm always in favor of immediate gratification!

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 06:40:57 PM · #58

Another hijack here:

You seem to be reluctant to sell your Olympus, so why are you looking to change to Nikon? Not that I'm trying to influence you one way or the other, I'm looking for information for my own benefit. I'm really looking to move to a DSLR but would really like anti-dust and a stabiliser. With that in mind I was considering the recently announced Olympus E510, but I've noticed a few people here moving from Olympus to other makes, and that worries me a lot. My other two options are Pentax K10 (though I gather the anti-dust isn't effective on that one) and Nikon D80. From what I've read, my feeling is that in some ways the Nikon is the best camera, but I'm not sure I can do without the two features I really want. And Olympus E510 will have a live screen too.

Something I particularly want to know with stock photography in mind - is the extra noise on Olympus a serious issue? And what is making people move away from Olympus once they have already invested in it?

03/21/2007 06:53:09 PM · #59

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

I'm really looking to move to a DSLR but would really like anti-dust and a stabiliser.

The anti-dust has been proven useless and you can get lenses with stabilization. Choose your camera based on the system you want and other factors. not these.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 07:05:39 PM · #60

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

The anti-dust has been proven useless and you can get lenses with stabilization. Choose your camera based on the system you want and other factors. not these.

From what I've read Olympus anti-dust is supposed to be quite good, and I'm not sure I'll be able to afford stabilised lenses. Also I'd prefer not to get involved with anything too big and heavy - I've got very small hands and all the DSLRs I look at feel really big to me. The Nikon D40 might have been a consideration but for the manual focus issue.

My head really is telling me to buy Nikon D80, but my heart keeps dragging me in other directions. One day I will think I know what I want, then the next day I will be leaning in a whole different direction. I really am awful when it comes to making decisions.

03/21/2007 07:12:16 PM · #61

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:
The anti-dust has been proven useless and you can get lenses with stabilization. Choose your camera based on the system you want and other factors. not these.

From what I've read Olympus anti-dust is supposed to be quite good, and I'm not sure I'll be able to afford stabilised lenses. Also I'd prefer not to get involved with anything too big and heavy - I've got very small hands and all the DSLRs I look at feel really big to me. The Nikon D40 might have been a consideration but for the manual focus issue.

My head really is telling me to buy Nikon D80, but my heart keeps dragging me in other directions. One day I will think I know what I want, then the next day I will be leaning in a whole different direction. I really am awful when it comes to making decisions.

the test that was linked to before showed the Oly performing better but by no means good. 50% after 25 cycles is worthless. I understand that you would like those features but I think that if you base your choice on those features you may make a mistake(maybe not)

The d40 is not manual on all lenses. it will work on many lenses jjust fine. if you think you will grow into bigger and better lenses then maybe the d40 is not for you. I wouldn't get it because of some other missing features though.

To be perfectly honest you can get good results from any manufacture, it just matters what you are most comfortable with.

03/21/2007 07:18:23 PM · #62

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

..The d40 is not manual on all lenses. it will work on many lenses jjust fine. if you think you will grow into bigger and better lenses then maybe the d40 is not for you. I wouldn't get it because of some other missing features though....

As I understand it, the D40 does not have an internal auto-focus motor housed within the body (to save space on the physical size of the body). The D40 will work fine with the two kit lenses normally associated with it, because those lenses have the auto-focus motor built-in to the lens.

Lenses that do not have the auto-focus motor built in to the lens itself will need to be manually focused when mounted on a D40 body. Is this your understanding as well?

03/21/2007 07:21:34 PM · #63

Originally posted by L2:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:
..The d40 is not manual on all lenses. it will work on many lenses jjust fine. if you think you will grow into bigger and better lenses then maybe the d40 is not for you. I wouldn't get it because of some other missing features though....

As I understand it, the D40 does not have an internal auto-focus motor housed within the body (to save space on the physical size of the body). The D40 will work fine with the two kit lenses normally associated with it, because those lenses have the auto-focus motor built-in to the lens.

Lenses that do not have the auto-focus motor built in to the lens itself will need to be manually focused when mounted on a D40 body. Is this your understanding as well?

yes I was also under the impression that there were a few more lenses with motors built in (may be wrong as I am a Canon guy) So the lens selection is limited but It is geared towards people that may only ever buy 1 or 2 lenses.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 07:25:46 PM · #64

That anti-dust test used very artificial conditions - who would ever leave their camera lying around in a way that would collect that much dust? I have the impression from other reading that Oly users are happy with the way the anti-dust works under normal conditions.

I know the D40 isn't manual for all lenses, but still feel it could be an issue some day. I must admit my inclination is to buy something like a Sigma/Tamron 18-200 or 28-300 for general use and not have to worry about changing or carrying around lenses any more than I absolutely have to. I just want the picture quality that a P&S will never give me. I find the noise levels of my P&S cameras, even at minimum ISO, really annoying.

03/21/2007 07:36:07 PM · #65

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

really not trying to argue:) but I have only had a few issues of dust on my 30d which has no anti dust. i change lenses outside alot. if my camera had anti-dust i would most likely say that it worked ok because people complain about dust all the time and i hardly ever have an issue. know what i mean. the clinical tests are the best way to see if ti actually works.

If you were looking for a one lens type of setup I would suggest the 18-200 vr by Nikon if you can afford it. Another manufacture (sigma maybe ) has also announced an 18-200 with OS so that may help you in the stabilization dept.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 07:43:45 PM · #66

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

If you were looking for a one lens type of setup I would suggest the 18-200 vr by Nikon if you can afford it. Another manufacture (sigma maybe ) has also announced an 18-200 with OS so that may help you in the stabilization dept.

I'll have to check how prices and size work out as far as those are concerned. Keeping lens changes to a minimum would certainly help where dust is concerned too.

03/21/2007 07:47:19 PM · #67

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:
If you were looking for a one lens type of setup I would suggest the 18-200 vr by Nikon if you can afford it. Another manufacture (sigma maybe ) has also announced an 18-200 with OS so that may help you in the stabilization dept.

I'll have to check how prices and size work out as far as those are concerned. Keeping lens changes to a minimum would certainly help where dust is concerned too.

The nikon is around a grand but I am sure the 3rd party will be less.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 07:58:08 PM · #68

Another question - how much difference does the number of focus points really make? I've got a Nikon 8400 (P&S) on which I can select from 9 focus points. Because of its limited zoom, I don't use it as much as I should, but I really find being able to choose where I focus much preferable to the way my Panasonic FZ5 works. The fact that Olympus only has 3 focus points is another thing that has been putting me off their cameras.

missinseattle

03/21/2007 08:00:26 PM · #69

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

I've never noticed any extra noise in my pictures unless I've add it during editing.

Why am I looking for another camera? Because I do a lot of outdoor photography- animals far off that I can't get close enough to, birds, ect and I need a 300mm lens for that. The Oly telephoto lens is around 6,000 dollars. For that you could buy how many cameras? That is my main reason.
WHy do I want to keep it? Because it is my first dSLR, I'm familiar with it, I've loved it thus far except for the lens issue. The lenses that came with it are great although I only use one - the 45-150mm. The 14-45mm I only use for landscape and sunset shots. I don't want to part with it because it was a gift from a friend who saw something in me and wanted to help me develop my love for photography. Without her I never would have been able to do what I've done so far- which isn't much to most but for me it is a lot. So I guess you could say I have a sentimental attachment to my Oly lol.
Had I the money when I bought my Oly, the D70 would have actually been my first choice but at that time I was short a good 400 dollars or more and did not think I was going to be this deep into photography.

So there ya have it.

And to the person who suggested checking craigslist. I will have to do that. Thank you for the suggestion!

03/21/2007 08:07:47 PM · #70

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

it makes a big difference to me as I like to selectively choose focus points.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

03/21/2007 08:17:19 PM · #71

Originally posted by missinseattle:

Why am I looking for another camera? Because I do a lot of outdoor photography- animals far off that I can't get close enough to, birds, ect and I need a 300mm lens for that. The Oly telephoto lens is around 6,000 dollars. For that you could buy how many cameras? That is my main reason.
WHy do I want to keep it? Because it is my first dSLR, I'm familiar with it, I've loved it thus far except for the lens issue. The lenses that came with it are great although I only use one - the 45-150mm. The 14-45mm I only use for landscape and sunset shots. I don't want to part with it because it was a gift from a friend who saw something in me and wanted to help me develop my love for photography. Without her I never would have been able to do what I've done so far- which isn't much to most but for me it is a lot. So I guess you could say I have a sentimental attachment to my Oly lol.

Wow, if the lenses get that expensive, and Nikon have cheaper options, it certainly doesn't sound like Olympus is going to be for me.

Good luck making your decision.

Liehsc

Nikon D70s

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

03/21/2007 10:34:48 PM · #72

Go to Broadwayphoto.com I bought a brand new D70s body only for $600 about two months ago, they have refurbished ones for $550. The D70s feels a litter more durable than the D80, its a tad bigger. The D80 does have a bigger and brighter view finder which is nice and a larger LCD. You can buy a brand new D80 from Broadwayphoto for about $875. The best thing is to put them in your hands and see which one you prefer.

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

03/25/2007 08:14:05 PM · #73

Originally posted by Liehsc:

Go to Broadwayphoto.com I bought a brand new D70s body only for $600 about two months ago, they have refurbished ones for $550.

Sorry if I'm a few days late, I've been working a lot, and I'm just getting back to this thread...but isn't broadwayphoto.com one of those slimy dealers that we're supposed to avoid? I think they have the reputation of having cheap prices, but leaving out things that are supposed to be included for free, like batteries.