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03/10/2007 09:36:47 AM · #176 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Rikki can be found alive and well, and in full form here Rikki.
I bet he would love to hear from those people that still want him around DPC. |
Wasn't here for this mess! But I certainly think you should all try and remember what you first thought when you heard of the cheating and what you wanted to happen to that person, and then when you found out it was this likeable, charasmatic guy who sucked you all in. It's wonderful to see so many forgiving souls, but what if this had been someone popular here but in the negative. And I'm sure you can all think of someone...
2 pennies in the cup from me... |
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03/10/2007 09:38:00 AM · #177 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...I would welcome him back and I'd bet every dollar that I have in the bank that he will never be part of something like that again in his life. My assumption is that the whole experience was one of the most painful things to happen to him in his life and one he will never want to repeat. |
Well put. |
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03/10/2007 09:40:35 AM · #178 |
Also, keep in mind that he didn't fess up and apologize until AFTER he was caught. He will never regain my trust on this site. He decided that he would cheat, he planned his scheme then he duped us all.
American Horse, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to shoot him a line letting him know that we are still better off without him.
Message edited by author 2007-03-10 09:40:47. |
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03/10/2007 09:42:19 AM · #179 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
American Horse, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to shoot him a line letting him know that we are still better off without him. |
Easy, tiger. I'm sure they have rules about nasty PM's over there, too. :)
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03/10/2007 09:44:09 AM · #180 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
American Horse, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to shoot him a line letting him know that we are still better off without him. |
Easy, tiger. I'm sure they have rules about nasty PM's over there, too. :) |
Account expires in 7 days and I have no intention of renewing. That site has to be one of the most poorly developed sites that I have wasted money on. That one and the one with that April girl. ;) |
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03/10/2007 09:51:31 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...I would welcome him back and I'd bet every dollar that I have in the bank that he will never be part of something like that again in his life. My assumption is that the whole experience was one of the most painful things to happen to him in his life and one he will never want to repeat. |
Well put. |
I should add that I'd have no issue with him coming back because it's not something I'm particularly preoccupied with...the damage is done but I'm not that easy to forgive and forget.
On a side note I am stunned by how forgiving people are. I wonder if it's to preserve the general humor and upbeat nature of this site, which he was central to prior to the incedent? |
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03/10/2007 09:51:57 AM · #182 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Account expires in 7 days and I have no intention of renewing. That site has to be one of the most poorly developed sites that I have wasted money on. That one and the one with that April girl. ;) |
Ok, but you know that it's not Rikki's fault that you think that site is poorly designed, and you also know that the OP stated that he did not post this thread at Rikki's request, right?
It sure would stink if the admins over there had to contact D&L about people from here sending PM's to Rikki containing personal attacks. That would make me super sad....
I'm gonna come right out and beg you not to be mean.
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03/10/2007 09:57:14 AM · #183 |
i had a friend who cheated on his wife for a couple of years after getting caught the first time. during counseling, he lied about having broken it off. when he was caught the second time, she threw him out...
...only to take him back 3 short months later.
i'm still cordial whenever i run into him, and don't mind him being around when he shows up at stuff, but, he's not someone i chose to spend time with. he wasn't run out of the neighborhood, but no one's lending him tools anymore, either ;-) |
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03/10/2007 10:02:26 AM · #184 |
Originally posted by Skip:
i had a friend who cheated on his wife for a couple of years after getting caught the first time. during counseling, he lied about having broken it off. when he was caught the second time, she threw him out...
...only to take him back 3 short months later.
i'm still cordial whenever i run into him, and don't mind him being around when he shows up at stuff, but, he's not someone i chose to spend time with. he wasn't run out of the neighborhood, but no one's lending him tools anymore, either ;-) |
excellent analogy! |
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03/10/2007 10:09:14 AM · #185 |
Originally posted by sher:
Originally posted by Skip:
i had a friend who cheated on his wife for a couple of years after getting caught the first time. during counseling, he lied about having broken it off. when he was caught the second time, she threw him out...
...only to take him back 3 short months later.
i'm still cordial whenever i run into him, and don't mind him being around when he shows up at stuff, but, he's not someone i chose to spend time with. he wasn't run out of the neighborhood, but no one's lending him tools anymore, either ;-) |
excellent analogy! |
It's an analogy. I wouldn't say it's excellent, though. |
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03/10/2007 10:10:15 AM · #186 |
Originally posted by L2:
Slippy, I admire your tenacious support. I hope if I ever do something wrong you'll defend me just as vigourously. :)
With that said, I'm really truly curious about something. Since you've been very vocal with your support and it seems like you believe Rikki really didn't know what was going on with his friends voting him up, how do you resolve (in your own mind) this thread asking how the dupe accounts can be tracked? Note that this was prior to the ghost accounts actually being set up.
To me, it seems like that thread was a fishing expedition to avoid detection. Do you see it differently, and if so, why? |
:-) Sure, I'll come to your defense, if I think you deserve it. I think Rikki deserves it for two simple reasons. The first reason I'm sure of beyond a shadow of a doubt: He was a valuable member of the forums, going above and beyond lending help and support. The second reason is more how I think the whole chain of events went down, as in my steps 1 to 5 posted earlier.
I think the thread you quoted is simply unrelated. It's easy to look back in time and draw all sorts of conclusions, which can be widely accepted by freaked-out people. Stuff like the attacks on the World Trade Centre happened on the 11th of September, partly because the two towers look like the number 11. That sort of stuff actually makes the news for a reason, it's good for ratings, and so was born your connection to that thread.
There are tons of threads about Trolls and Ghost accounts. I don't suspect the folks who've created any of these threads of anything evil. I think the simplest explanation is the most probable (Occam's Razor).
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03/10/2007 10:10:19 AM · #187 |
C'mon Slippy. You can't have numbers 3 and 5 without number 6 - which occurs on Wednesday mornings and goes something like this, "Congrats on the ribbon Rikki. It was a wonderful picture and I gave it a 10".
If the (x number) of people that you're good friends with voted on your images don't you think that at least (y number) would tell you?
I'm not saying that he shouldn't be back. Heck, I hope he does come back. The martini glasses gt a bit tired but I certainly did like his landscape work. If his sentence was a year then he should return when the time allows. However, to imply that Rikki could've been an innocent bystander is a little out of my range of belief. If, "I didn't know they were voting", still happens to be his story then I hope he stays away.
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.
I didn't leave out the multiple accounts part, it's in #5. I don't know if he was even aware of the way his friends (the multiple accounts) were voting. |
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03/10/2007 10:25:11 AM · #188 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
The second reason is more how I think the whole chain of events went down, as in my steps 1 to 5 posted earlier. |
So, by your logic, D&L lied about the ghost accounts. Is that what I am hearing you say? |
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03/10/2007 10:28:31 AM · #189 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
...However, to imply that Rikki could've been an innocent bystander is a little out of my range of belief. If, "I didn't know they were voting", still happens to be his story then I hope he stays away... |
It's conjecture, but I think in real life it might happen more along the lines of, he didn't tell them what to do or what not to do, not wanting to try to control them. Personally, my wife now votes my shots down, but I'll tell her not to vote on mine at all any more, as that's the best solution. Of course, my wife is an intelligent person, she does have a mind of her own, she does get VERY annoyed when I ask her to do something she resents, and she has told me flat out in the past to "Fuck Off!"
P.S. Don't blame Rikki for anything I say. :-)
Message edited by author 2007-03-10 10:29:09. |
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03/10/2007 10:30:04 AM · #190 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by sher:
excellent analogy! |
It's an analogy. I wouldn't say it's excellent, though. |
Yea, for a start I was never married to Rikki. Secondly, I can't remember throwing him out of the house.
And I certainly didn't sleep with him. Not that I can recall anyway. |
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03/10/2007 10:30:58 AM · #191 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
The second reason is more how I think the whole chain of events went down, as in my steps 1 to 5 posted earlier. |
So, by your logic, D&L lied about the ghost accounts. Is that what I am hearing you say? |
No. See my point #5 above. You are having trouble reading my posts. |
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03/10/2007 10:34:21 AM · #192 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
The second reason is more how I think the whole chain of events went down, as in my steps 1 to 5 posted earlier. |
So, by your logic, D&L lied about the ghost accounts. Is that what I am hearing you say? |
No. See my point #5 above. You are having trouble reading my posts. |
Yeah, I got it. But you still fail to address (or more likely ignore) the fact that he was found to have ghost accounts. Are you saying that he got everyone in the office to vote and then stop by his home IP address and vote there, too? No trouble reading your posts but I am completely missing your logic. I'm sure that D&L didn't just see a familiar IP address pop up a couple of time and hand out a 1 year suspension lightly. |
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03/10/2007 10:38:43 AM · #193 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by sher:
excellent analogy! |
It's an analogy. I wouldn't say it's excellent, though. |
Yea, for a start I was never married to Rikki. Secondly, I can't remember throwing him out of the house.
And I certainly didn't sleep with him. Not that I can recall anyway. |
instead of analogy, would you be more comfortable with parallelism? |
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03/10/2007 10:42:06 AM · #194 |
I haven't read this entire thread and I don't plan to either.
Rikki cheated.
Rikki was punished.
Either he learned his lesson or he didn't.
If he comes back he would probably be pretty successful again without cheating. If he does cheat again, I'm sure a lifetime ban would be in order.
Either way, he deserves the opportunity to show that he has learned from this experience. |
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03/10/2007 10:43:15 AM · #195 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
The second reason is more how I think the whole chain of events went down, as in my steps 1 to 5 posted earlier. |
So, by your logic, D&L lied about the ghost accounts. Is that what I am hearing you say? |
No. See my point #5 above. You are having trouble reading my posts. |
Yeah, I got it. But you still fail to address (or more likely ignore) the fact that he was found to have ghost accounts. Are you saying that he got everyone in the office to vote and then stop by his home IP address and vote there, too? No trouble reading your posts but I am completely missing your logic. I'm sure that D&L didn't just see a familiar IP address pop up a couple of time and hand out a 1 year suspension lightly. |
You'll have to link (or quote) directly to anything about ~30 votes coming from a home IP in addition to ~30 votes coming from an office IP. I'm only aware of the office.
One or the other of us is simply wrong in this assumption, and it may be me, as I haven't read everything on the site. But you seem to know this specific info from somewhere, so please paste it up, specifically, the specific info, not just a link to a 30 page thread. If your are able to come up with something real, I will admit defeat in this point and take my medicine like a man. I trust you will do the same. |
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03/10/2007 10:46:18 AM · #196 |
I don't want to say he's paid his price because I don't feel like that. I feel more like he's served his sentence. I also believe that he'll be placed under a microscope by SC and the DPC community for some time. The SC decided that there would be a one year suspension, not a lifetime ban. Therefore I have no problem what so ever with his return. I think that what paid the price is his reputation. Rikki will determine how he needs to address this. I wish him luck and would admire the courage it would take to return. I, in the past, have had to ask forgiveness for many far graver things and would extend one of the many second chances that I have been given in the past to him and hope he'd make the best of it.
Message edited by author 2007-03-10 10:50:01.
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03/10/2007 10:50:11 AM · #197 |
The man erred, paid the price and expressed remorse... what more do we want?
There may be some that want to get their pound of flesh, but I would think that most of us would readily welcome Rikki back, as I know I would. I certainly hope that come Judgment Day my maker is more forgiving than some of you, lest I spent eternity in Hell.
Ray |
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03/10/2007 11:01:25 AM · #198 |
I've read every page of this and I'm really surprised at some of the responses. My position is this. The punishment didnt fit the crime, way too light in my opinion. He knew what he was doing, and until he was caught he didnt apologize. I feel it should have been a lifetime ban based on the TOS that were put forward. If he came back I certainly wouldnt be harsh toward him, but I certainly wouldnt welcome him with open arms. I cant believe the number of people that dont feel ill will towards someone that spoke out of both sides of his mouth. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you, do it for several month and your gonna alienate alot of "friends"
MattO
PS I'm not going to get into pissing matches with anyone, if you wish to respond to any of my statements thats fine, just dont expect me to begin a battle with you. These are my thoughts and feelings on the situation and I'm not going to try and defend the way I feel to anyone. Its just the way it is.
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03/10/2007 11:04:19 AM · #199 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
On a side note I am stunned by how forgiving people are. I wonder if it's to preserve the general humor and upbeat nature of this site, which he was central to prior to the incedent? |
honestly for me it is a couple of things. I have made mistakes in the past and have learned from them. I like to give others the same chance. Also life has enough shit in it, why add more. If he comes back and I spend my time and effort being pissed at him and worring about every single vote he gets on a challenge, whose life have I effected more? Most of the time the answer is mine. Why make my life worse by worrying about something that really doesn't effect me?
I get angry about enough things in life sometimes i just need to know when to let it go, and for me this is one of those times.
BTW Eric I am with Slippy, I don't recall it being said (or proved) that he had multiple accounts logging in from home. |
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03/10/2007 11:04:39 AM · #200 |
Originally posted by MattO:
... Its just the way it is. |
More properly, "It's just the way you feel." ;-)
Message edited by author 2007-03-10 11:04:57. |
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