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03/09/2007 11:54:57 PM · #1 |
Exactly what was Scooter's crime? I hope he and Martha and Bill get the Presidental Pardon.
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03/10/2007 12:19:22 AM · #2 |
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03/10/2007 02:22:12 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Exactly what was Scooter's crime? I hope he and Martha and Bill get the Presidental Pardon. |
...and the question that begs to be asked is...WHY?
Has anyone of these individuals done anything that would warrant a pardon, or is this simply something you deem appropriate due to their stature???
Ray |
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03/10/2007 02:25:41 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Exactly what was Scooter's crime? I hope he and Martha and Bill get the Presidental Pardon. |
...and the question that begs to be asked is...WHY?
Has anyone of these individuals done anything that would warrant a pardon, or is this simply something you deem appropriate due to their stature???
Ray |
I'm pretty sure David's point would be THEY got nailed for something that a whole LOT of people get away with all the time, and it seems sort of selective. Not that I agree, but...
I still remember how bitter I felt the one speeding ticket I ever got, when I was in a whole PACK of cars running at high speed on the Freeway in the wee hours and happened to be the one they chose to pull over.
R.
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03/10/2007 02:30:26 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
perjury. |
Actually it was stupidity, he could have asked (or maybe researched) the fact that Plame wasn't a covert operative, so he could have "leaked" whatever the hell he wanted with impunity. Which is why Richard Armitage and the whole host of other involved aren't up on charges.
Because there was no original crime :/
Stupidity.
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03/10/2007 02:33:46 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
perjury. |
Actually it was stupidity, he could have asked (or maybe researched) the fact that Plame wasn't a covert operative, so he could have "leaked" whatever the hell he wanted with impunity. Which is why Richard Armitage and the whole host of other involved aren't up on charges.
Because there was no original crime :/
Stupidity. |
Stupidity is not a crime.
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03/10/2007 02:37:22 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Has anyone of these individuals done anything that would warrant a pardon, or is this simply something you deem appropriate due to their stature???
Ray |
Probably not. Presidential pardons are a fact of life though. Bill Clinton issued 395 presidential pardons, 140 of which were on his last day of office. Why should this be any different?
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03/10/2007 02:44:02 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
perjury. |
Actually it was stupidity, he could have asked (or maybe researched) the fact that Plame wasn't a covert operative, so he could have "leaked" whatever the hell he wanted with impunity. Which is why Richard Armitage and the whole host of other involved aren't up on charges.
Because there was no original crime :/
Stupidity. |
Stupidity is not a crime. |
nope, it just leads to them ;) |
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03/10/2007 12:32:17 PM · #9 |
he was not on trial for perjury
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03/10/2007 12:37:57 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
he was not on trial for perjury |
Sure he was, and for obstruction of justice (lying to investigators).
Story: (emphasis added)
"I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, has been found guilty on four of five counts in his perjury and obstruction of justice trial. He was accused of lying to a grand jury that was investigating how Valerie Plame came to be publicly identified as a CIA operative." |
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03/10/2007 12:39:24 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I still remember how bitter I felt the one speeding ticket I ever got, when I was in a whole PACK of cars running at high speed on the Freeway in the wee hours and happened to be the one they chose to pull over.
R. |
That's funny. I remember a story about a guy that gets pulled over in a similar situation and asked the officer why he'd been picked out of all the other cars going down the freeway just as fast as he was.
The officer asked, "Ever do any fishing?"
The guy says, "Sure, all the time."
The officer says, "You ever catch all of the fish?" Hands the guy his ticket and goes back to work. |
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03/10/2007 12:49:20 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The officer says, "You ever catch all of the fish?" Hands the guy his ticket and goes back to work. |
One can't help but think that if Mr. Fitzgerald had made just a few more casts, he could have done better than the minnow he landed ... |
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03/10/2007 01:00:58 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The officer says, "You ever catch all of the fish?" Hands the guy his ticket and goes back to work. |
One can't help but think that if Mr. Fitzgerald had made just a few more casts, he could have done better than the minnow he landed ... |
Well hopefully, he's still out there fishing.
I don't really understand why they still allow presidential pardons. Especially, when you can use them to undo convictions of corruption in your own administration. |
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03/10/2007 07:09:31 PM · #14 |
"undoing convictions of corruption" is not limited to just their administration. Don't you know politicians are known for corruption? That is how society works......world wide.
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03/10/2007 07:26:43 PM · #15 |
It appears that Mr. Libby was stupid enough to lie to investigators that were investigating a non-crime (exposure of Valerie Plane's connection to a security agency). Lying to the FBI in the course of an investigation is a crime in the USA. It is not absolutely clear that exposure of Valerie Plane was a crime because her tenure apparently did not meet the criteria for a punishable offense if exposed.
The US Attorney had to find someone to prosecute so he chose Libby. The prosecutor seemed to know that no crime had been committed except for Libby's lying! |
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03/10/2007 07:40:52 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
It is not absolutely clear that exposure of Valerie Plane was a crime because her tenure apparently did not meet the criteria for a punishable offense if exposed. |
Her job met the criteria insofar as it made her continued employ in her position impossible -- i.e., it cost her her job/career.
What Mr. Libby was lying to protect is an obvious, visciously mean-spirited, politically-motivated plot -- apparently orchestrated by the Vice-President -- to discredit Mr. Wilson, in a desperate attempt to undermine his revealing of the lie about their not being aware of the bogus nature of the intelligence on the Iraq/Niger "deal" referred-to by the President in the State of the Union speech.
Lying in an attempt to cover up either a mistake or a previous lie will almost always be found out. |
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03/10/2007 07:49:02 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
What Mr. Libby was lying to protect is an obvious, visciously mean-spirited, politically-motivated plot -- apparently orchestrated by the Vice-President -- to discredit Mr. Wilson, in a desperate attempt to undermine his revealing of the lie about their not being aware of the bogus nature of the intelligence on the Iraq/Niger "deal" referred-to by the President in the State of the Union speech. |
Well that's what liberals claim anyway. Firstly, I see no basis to it, secondly, WTF??? How would exposing his wife as a *gasp* CIA agent discredit Wilson in any way shape or form?? |
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