What would happen if Rikki came back?

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03/10/2007 12:59:05 AM · #156

Without the vote scamming, Rikki would have garnered plenty of ribbons, in addition to the ribbons that I suspect he earned fairly before getting into the vote loading.

I would say he was an overall positive influence on the site... AND his punishment was deserved and meted out by SC. If he chooses to return, i believe he could restore some good will over time.

Qiki

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03/10/2007 06:10:27 AM · #157

Let he who is without sin....

I'd certainly welcome Rikki back once he's done his time. Apart from being a nice bloke, Rikki is someone who inspires, encourages and helps other folks on here. All qualities worthy of a second chance in my book.

Q.

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03/10/2007 08:16:17 AM · #158

You, who has never ever done anything wrong in your whole life, please cast the first stone.

Some of you will remember my own 'explosion', my childish reaction to something that happened. Some of you will never forget or forgive, and in my case it was hardest for me to forgive myself. Prior to that outburst, I was a member in good standing(I think), participating, voting, chatting, commenting etc etc. When I realised the folley of my ways I crawled back, but things have never be the same for me. And that is sad, because DPC is great, the majority of its members are fabulousin their support and the learning that takes place here unbelievable.

So, if Rikki does come back, remember and consider also his feelings, he is human like all of us. Sorry, like some of us, definately not like those amoungst us who can walk on water and who has never ever done anything wrong in their own lives. Most of us are bigger than our memories and our egos, but I must assume that does not apply to the lily whites in our mids.

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03/10/2007 08:26:37 AM · #159

Originally posted by undieyatch:

His probation is complete...

Just to clear this up for everyone, his probation is not complete. This thread is very premature, since he is banned until August. He is only just half-way through his ban.

undieyatch

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03/10/2007 08:44:52 AM · #160

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by undieyatch:

Not that anything will deter a noisy, grinning, well liked con artist, intent on a sting.

Well, he talked a lot (kinda like me, actually) and he was always cheerful, and people liked him, so. But "con artist intent on a sting"? That's a little harsh. It's the nature of a "con" that it doesn't deliver, after all; con artists are all talk and no substance. But Rikki's a genuine SHOOTER; the quality of his skills has never been in question.

He made a mistake, sure. I've made a lot myself, over the years. I'm glad people, for the most part, can put stuff behind them and move on.

R.

I will clarify - Rikki's skill is not in question, neither the amount of self serving, foolish, patronizing noise he or anyone wants to make on this site.

His conniving was not a mistake or an accident. I would disagree that fraud has no substance. It is hardly harsh to remind & note that Rikki devised and conspired a method to hurt everyone at every level of skill in challenges.

The nature of a con is intentional harm. Rikki was caught in his manipulation, for which the site rightfully placed him on probation. As noted the site has already determined he may return.

I am ambivalent to his decision.

03/10/2007 08:55:32 AM · #161

Originally posted by undieyatch:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by undieyatch:

Not that anything will deter a noisy, grinning, well liked con artist, intent on a sting.

Well, he talked a lot (kinda like me, actually) and he was always cheerful, and people liked him, so. But "con artist intent on a sting"? That's a little harsh. It's the nature of a "con" that it doesn't deliver, after all; con artists are all talk and no substance. But Rikki's a genuine SHOOTER; the quality of his skills has never been in question.

He made a mistake, sure. I've made a lot myself, over the years. I'm glad people, for the most part, can put stuff behind them and move on.

R.

I will clarify - Rikki's skill is not in question, neither the amount of self serving, foolish, patronizing noise he or anyone wants to make on this site.

His conniving was not a mistake or an accident. I would disagree that fraud has no substance. It is hardly harsh to remind & note that Rikki devised and conspired a method to hurt everyone at every level of skill in challenges.

The nature of a con is intentional harm. Rikki was caught in his manipulation, for which the site rightfully placed him on probation. As noted the site has already determined he may return.

I am ambivalent to his decision.

1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.

Give your thesaurus a rest, put away your quote of the day book. I am not impressed.

03/10/2007 08:59:21 AM · #162

Originally posted by Gibun:

So, if Rikki does come back, remember and consider also his feelings, he is human like all of us. Sorry, like some of us, definitely not like those amongst us who can walk on water and who has never ever done anything wrong in their own lives. Most of us are bigger than our memories and our egos, but I must assume that does not apply to the lily whites in our minds.

He cheated us ALL and he did it time and time again. I'd be happy to let him back if he serves a one year suspension for every vote he solicited and for every competition he cheated in by using multiple accounts. Until that is served, I can do just fine without him. He is among the worst of the worst on this site. He did everything in his limited power to undermine each and every one of us that so closely follow the rule set. Bear in mind that this is not one or two isolated events of disobeying the rules. This went on for months and involved using multiple accounts to grow his vote. For that, I have no use for him and I would expect the same treatment if I did the same thing. No, pardon me while I go out back and walk across the river.

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03/10/2007 09:00:40 AM · #163

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

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03/10/2007 09:03:59 AM · #164

What I find most interesting about this thread is the sense of community. Like most communities we fight among ourselves daily, we bicker and battle and bemoan every little thing.... but.... the moment one of "our own" is attacked we pull together. Rikki was a well-loved member of this community for a number of reasons. The activity that got him suspended shocked most of us and we were hurt and felt betrayed. That did not, however, change the fact that he is one of us.

I hope Rikki does return, with his chin high and his concience clear after serving time for his mistakes. I also hope that those who don't know him, or understand why he has support from so many get to know him when he returns. Perhaps then they will understand better.

03/10/2007 09:04:03 AM · #165

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.

BS

You know better than I?

03/10/2007 09:06:54 AM · #166

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.

BS

You know better than I?

You left out the part about using multiple accounts to vote. He may have a lot of friends at the office, but sharing your photos before the challenge to voters is C H E A T I N G if those people you share those images with vote on them. If I have someone share an image with me in a challenge, I pass it by when I come to it in the challenge. That is what I know.

Edited because I cannot spell.

Message edited by author 2007-03-10 09:07:36.

03/10/2007 09:12:45 AM · #167

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.

BS

You know better than I?

You left out the part about using multiple accounts to vote. He may have a lot of friends at the office, but sharing your photos before the challenge to voters is C H E A T I N G if those people you share those images with vote on them. If I have someone share an image with me in a challenge, I pass it by when I come to it in the challenge. That is what I know.

I didn't leave out the multiple accounts part, it's in #5. I don't know if he was even aware of the way his friends (the multiple accounts) were voting.

03/10/2007 09:13:55 AM · #168

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. He took great photos.
2. He was enthusiastic about the photos.
3. He's a good friend to everyone at his office.
4. He shared his great photos with his friends before challenges.
5. His enthused friends took it upon themselves to vote the way they did.

BS

You know better than I?

You left out the part about using multiple accounts to vote. He may have a lot of friends at the office, but sharing your photos before the challenge to voters is C H E A T I N G if those people you share those images with vote on them. If I have someone share an image with me in a challenge, I pass it by when I come to it in the challenge. That is what I know.

I didn't leave out the multiple accounts part, it's in #5. I don't know if he was even aware of the way his friends (the multiple accounts) were voting.

He had multiple PERSONAL accounts that he used to vote on the challenges. That is what finally got him and that is cheating.

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03/10/2007 09:16:27 AM · #169

In case you forgot.

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03/10/2007 09:18:12 AM · #170

To clarify, it's not "cheating" to share your entries with others before voting and it's also not "cheating" for those that have seen your entry to also vote on it. Where someone gets into trouble is when they inflate the vote on an entry that they've already seen.

The best prevention against an allegation of "friend voting" is to simply not vote on entries that you've seen, to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.