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03/09/2007 12:30:54 AM · #26 |
I agree. Photography is an art and how one chooses to display that is up to them and doesn't make it "bad" or "good", just more or less appealing.
The photo of himself sitting at the kitchen table has a certain atmosphere to it. But thats just me.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's a hell of a thing to say. Whatever type of photographs he chooses to take (or not take) constitutes no insult to any of our efforts whatsoever. He may have been called to task for his comments but he's paying his penance for that. The man is NOT in the normal DPC mold for sure, but there's no need to bad-mouth him like this. I find him an interesting and likable guy, myself :-)
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03/09/2007 12:48:58 AM · #27 |
Good for him- he can come up with newer ideas for his quest for browns. I am sure we are gonna see a fresh and enthusiastic witherhook maybe he can get a special 'DMNC' button on his keyboard so that he needs to just 1 letter instead of 4 and save his energy for diciding between voting 1 and 2
Message edited by author 2007-03-09 00:50:34. |
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03/09/2007 12:50:24 AM · #28 |
There is nothing artistic about trying to see how bad of a photo you can post. This is a forum to learn new techniques and improve presentation, not post a photo that you KNOW is crap and see how bad it can do. Robert, I usually agree with you on most of your opinions, but this one not so much. He may be likable and interesting, but I do find it insulting to post an image to see how bad it can be. I often try to comment on as many images as I can and offer suggestions for improvement. Having his image in a challenge takes up time that I could offer to someone who is actually trying and striving to improve basic skills. There are some really poor images presented by users and members who are just starting or just beginning to post-process. These guys deserve suggestions, comments and critiques. With the chance of his images in each challenge, it makes me want to slip all the bad ones. That isn't fair. If I do comment, it is an insult to me to spend time offering suggestions and ideas to someone who only wants to do worse. I re-state it...good riddance.
Originally posted by PGerst:
I agree. Photography is an art and how one chooses to display that is up to them and doesn't make it "bad" or "good", just more or less appealing.
The photo of himself sitting at the kitchen table has a certain atmosphere to it. But thats just me.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's a hell of a thing to say. Whatever type of photographs he chooses to take (or not take) constitutes no insult to any of our efforts whatsoever. He may have been called to task for his comments but he's paying his penance for that. The man is NOT in the normal DPC mold for sure, but there's no need to bad-mouth him like this. I find him an interesting and likable guy, myself :-)
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03/09/2007 12:59:51 AM · #29 |
I see your point Eric. Which is why I'd like to ask him about the photos he submits. I can only guess that he is trying to portray the world as he sees it.
This is a learning site, and I thank God that stumbled upon DPC as it has been the best thing thats happened to me. I've learnt a lot here and am quite inspired to improve when I look at the work on here.
Perhaps it is simply a case that Whiterook chose the wrong site to display his work? I would not want to see him gone, just saying.
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03/09/2007 01:03:17 AM · #30 |
I emailed Whiterook and asked him if he was banned, and if so, why.
This was his response:
I can't use //www.dpchallenge.com/message.php?USER_ID=9690 this web site until april 15, 2007.
I just express my oppions on friut and veggie challenge and place images in the forum of the current challenge.
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03/09/2007 01:07:31 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
There is nothing artistic about trying to see how bad of a photo you can post. This is a forum to learn new techniques and improve presentation, not post a photo that you KNOW is crap and see how bad it can do. |
That's a pretty narrow definition. I usually agree with you too, Eric, but not on this. I don't see oddballs and outliers as any threat at all, frankly, to the greater body that is DPC. I just say Gawd bless 'em and let them be happy where they are.
I do know, from talking with him, that his submissions are not "jokes" in his own mind, and that's all I really care about. Besides, even IF some member decided to be the court jester to the rest of us, I'd be OK with that. Hell, we accept it all the time in the forums; just follow the up-and-down career of our beloved  strikeslip, a forum jester par excellence. Or used to be, anyway :-)
I don't see any reason why we can accept verbal buffoonery/japery but not pictorial buffoonery/japery, if it comes to that. We are, after all, a site for pictures. Let everyone display as they wish, as long as it is not illegal or obscene :-)
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03/09/2007 01:07:58 AM · #32 |
I see it now... look at all the comments he left for others on the Fruit and Veggie challenge
//www.dpchallenge.com/comment_browse.php?USER_ID=66709&HELPFUL=&page=2
Message edited by author 2007-03-09 01:09:35. |
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03/09/2007 01:11:34 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Hell, we accept it all the time in the forums; just follow the up-and-down career of our beloved strikeslip, a forum jester par excellence. Or used to be, anyway :-) |
That's three time ribbon winner forum jester. :P |
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03/09/2007 01:21:12 AM · #34 |
There are relatively few people who could genuinely claim to be using DPC to create art.
Whiterook is certainly one of those few. I don't know if he would claim it, perhaps not, but there you go.
It's possible that more than one Whitrook might become a drag, but one is a real benefit to the site. |
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03/09/2007 01:24:38 AM · #35 |
Yeah it was kinda funny for a bit-- but if your gonna stride for browns -- at least be original in your quest-- His shots were becoming predictable, just look at the comments, most people could tell its him on his latest "Efforts".
Im sure Bear and rook had a nice brunch or whatever, I wonder If the meeting never happened if Bear would be sticking up for him?
To basically cut and paste comments and to continue to enter the same type of shot with the goal being to get the brown, isnt what this site is about..
I'm one that doesnt take DPC too seriously at all, but this crap was getting outta control, IMHO..
Love, Peace, and Watch Idol! :)0
Much Love --- Buzz
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03/09/2007 01:40:39 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by pottersclay75:
I emailed Whiterook and asked him if he was banned, and if so, why.
This was his response:
I can't use //www.dpchallenge.com/message.php?USER_ID=9690 this web site until april 15, 2007.
I just express my oppions on friut and veggie challenge and place images in the forum of the current challenge.
whiterook |
if that reply is really from him, then i guess he was suspended because of the words in bold above... |
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03/09/2007 01:43:42 AM · #37 |
if you can't be famous, at least you can be infamous! :)
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03/09/2007 01:49:40 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by buzzrock:
Im sure Bear and rook had a nice brunch or whatever, I wonder If the meeting never happened if Bear would be sticking up for him?
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He doesn't need me "sticking up for him", actually, but there ya go. And sure I would be. I sought him out to meet him because I thought he was interesting, and I always stick up for interesting people, pretty much :-)
I just find it odd so many people are getting their knickers in a twist because his goals aren't "correct" in their eyes or minds. I'm speaking of the photographic goals, of course: whatever he did re: comments/posting that got him suspended, I'm not real clear on that but I am certainly not supporting THAT, OK?
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03/09/2007 02:11:44 AM · #39 |
Oddly, he left no comment to my photo in the 'Fruits & Veggies' challenge. I feel rooked!
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03/09/2007 02:16:46 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by SkyNevada:
I feel rooked! |
I hooked you up. :) |
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03/09/2007 02:51:18 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
There is nothing artistic about trying to see how bad of a photo you can post. This is a forum to learn new techniques and improve presentation, not post a photo that you KNOW is crap and see how bad it can do. |
That's a pretty narrow definition. I usually agree with you too, Eric, but not on this. I don't see oddballs and outliers as any threat at all, frankly, to the greater body that is DPC. I just say Gawd bless 'em and let them be happy where they are.
I do know, from talking with him, that his submissions are not "jokes" in his own mind, and that's all I really care about. Besides, even IF some member decided to be the court jester to the rest of us, I'd be OK with that. Hell, we accept it all the time in the forums; just follow the up-and-down career of our beloved strikeslip, a forum jester par excellence. Or used to be, anyway :-)
I don't see any reason why we can accept verbal buffoonery/japery but not pictorial buffoonery/japery, if it comes to that. We are, after all, a site for pictures. Let everyone display as they wish, as long as it is not illegal or obscene :-)
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Very good points, Robert.
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03/09/2007 03:30:12 AM · #42 |
Has anyone considered the idea that Whiterook may have 'disabilities'? I won't argue that he is peculiar, but I am wondering if he may have something wrong with him and is just trying to find a place to fit in and enjoy his hobby. Just a thought for everyone.
Message edited by author 2007-03-09 03:30:49. |
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03/09/2007 03:33:39 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by Emerkaza:
Has anyone considered the idea that Whiterook may have 'disabilities'? I won't argue that he is peculiar, but I am wondering if he may have something wrong with him and is just trying to find a place to fit in and enjoy his hobby. Just a thought for everyone. |
i'm a firm believer that people with disabilities should be given equal treatment as people without disabilities. |
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03/09/2007 03:38:28 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Emerkaza:
Has anyone considered the idea that Whiterook may have 'disabilities'? I won't argue that he is peculiar, but I am wondering if he may have something wrong with him and is just trying to find a place to fit in and enjoy his hobby. Just a thought for everyone. |
i'm a firm believer that people with disabilities should be given equal treatment as people without disabilities. |
Crayon's right. We don't treat Leroy any different. :P |
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03/09/2007 04:56:05 AM · #45 |
I don't understand where he got that the images should contain "a small number of" or "a few" "fruits and vegetables ... I don't get it at all ... nothing like that was mentioned in the challenge description ... very weird ...
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03/09/2007 05:53:16 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
I don't understand where he got that the images should contain "a small number of" or "a few" "fruits and vegetables ... I don't get it at all ... nothing like that was mentioned in the challenge description ... very weird ... |
It coule be the alcohol...its happened to me many time past.
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03/09/2007 06:19:30 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
It looks like too many DQs in just a few challenges. I say good ridadnce to him too. His constant efforts to take bad photos insults those of us that attempt to leave constructive comments and critiques. The longer he stays away the better as far as I am concerned. |
I believe that Andy Kaufman would have a few words of disagreement for you on this particular point.
Is it art to spend time doing a study on the other side of the page?
Actually, I have felt myself somewhat oddly stimulated (photographically, let's not get silly) by the ideas that he puts forth. He may lack some polish on what he is trying to say and how he is trying to say it, but I've got no issue with his photography myself. Check out his list of photographic goals if you want to see a little deeper into his pictures.
On the other hand, I actually like to think that I can take a decent picture now and again. Haven't pushed past 6.0 yet though... Hope that doesn't insult anyone here...
Of course if he is saying things that are unpolite, one can see why he could get in a spot of trouble. |
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03/09/2007 06:42:25 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
I don't understand where he got that the images should contain "a small number of" or "a few" "fruits and vegetables ... I don't get it at all ... nothing like that was mentioned in the challenge description ... very weird ... |
He wouldn't be the first and certainly won't be the last to make "assumptions" as to what the challenge pics should look like :-)
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Crayon's right. We don't treat Leroy any different. :P |
I heard that :-P
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03/09/2007 07:45:48 AM · #49 |
| The guy is interesting. Most of us who take "better photos" would never be missed like he is. |
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03/09/2007 08:28:01 AM · #50 |
It sounds like there should be a Whiterook challenge. One where we should try our best to simulate possibly one of the greatest photographers, ahead of his time maybe, but still one of the greats.
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