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 03/01/2007 09:45:38 AM · #1
Get ready to jump on this bandwagon when it arrives, if you don't already have a version.
//www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10043/53/

03/01/2007 09:52:32 AM · #2
Now I wonder how that will work, being web based. Will the picture remain on the client? Or does it have to be uploaded for editing?
03/01/2007 09:56:41 AM · #3
hmm...well I think most of PS functionality happens in memory (or virtual memory / scratch disks) so I guess the question is whether that would be client-side or server-side...
 03/01/2007 10:01:18 AM · #4
I would think that would happen on the client side with just the equations on the server side.
 03/01/2007 10:04:38 AM · #5
Making the processing server side would be a somewhat silly idea for the developer, as it would have the potential to put an astronomical strain on the server.
 03/01/2007 10:27:49 AM · #6
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
I would think that would happen on the client side with just the equations on the server side.


Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client. Or could this be for the complete novice who doesn't want or know how to install software at home?
 03/01/2007 10:50:29 AM · #7
oh just use Paint.NET its free lol maybe theylkl port its .NET code to actually be run through a web based service.

Message edited by author 2007-03-01 10:50:47.
 03/01/2007 10:55:11 AM · #8
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
I would think that would happen on the client side with just the equations on the server side.


Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client. Or could this be for the complete novice who doesn't want or know how to install software at home?


If it's moved entirely to the client, they lose the ad revenue. They are setting up partnerships with hosting sites to include this "PS Basic" as a feature of their site.

One can imagine a new ruleset in DPC which REQUIRES the use of a DPC-hosted "PS Basic" and legalizes anything you can do witht hat program :-)

R.
 03/01/2007 10:59:25 AM · #9
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client. Or could this be for the complete novice who doesn't want or know how to install software at home?


I would think it's for the person who has minimal needs but would like to access a Photoshop-like application regardless of where they are or on who's computer. For example you could edit some photos while you're supposed to be working or you're at an internet cafe and they don't have PS installed. I can't see many of the more interesting features of the program being there but things like red eye reduction, text, resizing, etc make sense. I've no doubt there will be tie ins to printing and gift services which would make it lucrative for them. Once they've developed it, they can then also license it for inclusion on other websites. You might walk into a drug store or a Costco and instead of using their rotate and "enhance" you could do a few edits before finalizing your print order.
 03/01/2007 11:10:48 AM · #10
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client. Or could this be for the complete novice who doesn't want or know how to install software at home?


I would think it's for the person who has minimal needs but would like to access a Photoshop-like application regardless of where they are or on who's computer. For example you could edit some photos while you're supposed to be working or you're at an internet cafe and they don't have PS installed. I can't see many of the more interesting features of the program being there but things like red eye reduction, text, resizing, etc make sense. I've no doubt there will be tie ins to printing and gift services which would make it lucrative for them. Once they've developed it, they can then also license it for inclusion on other websites. You might walk into a drug store or a Costco and instead of using their rotate and "enhance" you could do a few edits before finalizing your print order.


In support of what he is saying. Imagine low cost laptops with only a little amount of storage. Being able to run applications from a server in resident memory reduces the requirment for storage space. This keeps the laptops cost down. This is becoming more and more possible with broadband and wirless broadband networks all over the world.

The more that's done server side wether its just storage or even processor usage is a load taken off of a device. Mobile devices will benifit the most.

AT the same time im not much of a supporter of paying a monthly fee to use a dumb terminal. But my father feels its what the future has in store.
 03/01/2007 11:52:43 AM · #11
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
AT the same time im not much of a supporter of paying a monthly fee to use a dumb terminal. But my father feels its what the future has in store.


Everything old is new again.
 03/01/2007 12:28:27 PM · #12
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
AT the same time im not much of a supporter of paying a monthly fee to use a dumb terminal. But my father feels its what the future has in store.


Everything old is new again.


Yah. As I understand it, this is a major, major push of Microsoft's newest long-range business model; all software web-based. Shades of Hal, if you ask me...

R.
 03/01/2007 12:57:07 PM · #13
great - then when their software routinely crashes 75% world will become unproductiove at the same time...

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Yah. As I understand it, this is a major, major push of Microsoft's newest long-range business model; all software web-based. Shades of Hal, if you ask me...

R.

03/01/2007 01:05:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
AT the same time im not much of a supporter of paying a monthly fee to use a dumb terminal. But my father feels its what the future has in store.


Everything old is new again.


Yah. As I understand it, this is a major, major push of Microsoft's newest long-range business model; all software web-based. Shades of Hal, if you ask me...


Perhaps but if you look at it from the other side you reduce software piracy, reduce distribution costs, reduce support costs, and increase revenue. Looks pretty sexy for a software vendor even if there are a few homicides along the way.
 03/01/2007 01:05:10 PM · #15
Originally posted by soup:
great - then when their software routinely crashes 75% world will become unproductiove at the same time...


Well think of it this way, at least your competition can't get ahead of you while the computers are down. And if Microsoft has a bad day, it's a holiday for all. :-)

Message edited by author 2007-03-01 13:06:01.
 03/01/2007 01:07:28 PM · #16
well i suppose, but if ruins an epic Age III battle i'll be pretty pissed !

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Well think of it this way, at least your competition can't get ahead of you while the computers are down. And if Microsoft has a bad day, it's a holiday for all. :-)

03/01/2007 01:36:19 PM · #17
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
AT the same time im not much of a supporter of paying a monthly fee to use a dumb terminal. But my father feels its what the future has in store.


Perhaps but if you look at it from the other side you reduce software piracy, reduce distribution costs, reduce support costs, and increase revenue. Looks pretty sexy for a software vendor even if there are a few homicides along the way.


Actually if it went mainstreem they would easily come up with this fixed low monthly rate which would end up in the end being more then the cost of the software itself.

I sure hope your not one of the poor fools that believes in leasing a car and turning it in. Not saying anything towards you but if they can work an advantage they will. Now maybe a yearly rate being avaliable would help in this area. With the PDF creator i think they triesd pay per file for a bit and we all know thats way more expensive.

On the other hand the fixed low montly rate could come out to be more but if your continously given new version like no upgrade cost then in the end it works itself out.

Message edited by author 2007-03-01 14:33:56.
 03/01/2007 08:15:40 PM · #18
My understanding is this product is being positioned to compete with Google's Picasa. As such, I expect it will be a VERY basic tool, and probably something that will be useful to the typical home user for processing their snapshots of their kids and their vacations, but not something that will appeal to serious hobbyists, which includes most of us on DPC.

~Terry
 03/01/2007 08:25:24 PM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


Yah. As I understand it, this is a major, major push of Microsoft's newest long-range business model; all software web-based. Shades of Hal, if you ask me...

R.


03/01/2007 08:29:03 PM · #20
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
...As such, I expect it will be a VERY basic tool, and probably something that will be useful to the typical home user for processing their snapshots of their kids and their vacations...


Something like this, I guess.
 03/01/2007 08:37:03 PM · #21
Originally posted by mad_brewer:


Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client.


This will benefit only Adobe. The big software makers are trying to head to webapps again like they did a few years ago. I hope they fail again. Once you go web app then they will have total control. It will be just as much fun as pay per view. MicroSloth has been trying to go this way and got really jealous when Google came out with their stuff. Google wants to make the OS irrelevant. This Adobe thing would almost have to be mostly client side. I can't see them processing a 15 meg raw file from my camera. I'm betting it will only work with jpg. Might work good for our new minimal processing challenges. ;)
 03/01/2007 10:01:07 PM · #22
Originally posted by Tycho:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
...As such, I expect it will be a VERY basic tool, and probably something that will be useful to the typical home user for processing their snapshots of their kids and their vacations...


Something like this, I guess.


Or this one.
 03/02/2007 12:42:41 AM · #23
Great for Mom & Pop and the kids. But I don't think any pro would trust a web-based solution--too abstract and prone to inaccessibility should there be some network problem. Current software that needs internet activation (apps, plug-ins) is most unpleasant and annoying, IMO. I like my apps close, and my data even closer.
 03/02/2007 04:24:05 AM · #24
might be interesting for my PDA, but seeing as I can already do layers, gradients and all that fun stuff with Pocket Artist 3.0, I'm kinda shrugging my shoulders... The processor load is less to run the CPU up to full than it is to turn on my wifi wireless.

Message edited by author 2007-03-02 04:24:34.
 03/02/2007 04:33:24 AM · #25
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
I would think that would happen on the client side with just the equations on the server side.


Now this makes sense, but why even have the server side at all? To me it just makes sense to have the complete application on the client. Or could this be for the complete novice who doesn't want or know how to install software at home?


this will force users to access adobe's website and i'm sure they will have some advertising ready.
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