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02/26/2007 02:56:04 PM · #51 |
After trying LR out a little more, I have a couple thoughts...
I love you can adjust tones right on the photo by dragging and clicking the area of the photo you'd like to change. I like the web gallery output and I'm wondering if that is an area where people will be able to create and share flash templates with other LR users.
I have gone back to some old photos and have started reworking them with LR and CS2 and I have to say I am blown away with what I can do now vs what was possible only a few years ago in terms of editing. Especially just how LR is so photography specific and intuitive to help me greatly and minimize my mistakes greatly.
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02/26/2007 03:05:46 PM · #52 |
One thing I've noticed with lightroom on several occasions is it dying with an 'out of memory' error when rendering the image views. Has happened 3 times in the last week or so. I know I've only got a dual core 2.4GHz 64 bit AMD system with 2Gb of RAM so I'm on the low end(!), but still.
Anyone else seen this problem ? Edit to add, it only happens when I'm selecting/ working through a large number of images > 300 or more seems to be a common failure point. The RAW files are quite big I suppose - 1DII 8Mp RAW files.
I suspect there is some sort of memory leak in the v1.0 build that'll get fixed soon I hope.
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02/26/2007 03:10:28 PM · #53 |
thats wierd I'm running it just fine on my macbook even my older powerbook is still going and running it just fine.
The only thing I dont like is that if I add a photo to a folder that I told LR to import already it does not know that a new photo is in the folder. So I have to tell LR to import again and then I click only that photo then it will see it after the import. Other than that I love the program.... dont use bridge at all now.
Message edited by author 2007-02-26 15:14:50.
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02/26/2007 03:56:20 PM · #54 |
I had 1900+ images to process this weekend (3 shooters at a wedding, more than half of the images were from my 5D at 11M+ each). And although it's certainly a lot slower than RSP, I don't think I ever ran out of memory.
I do like the output I'm getting (as compared to RSP). It just takes a LOT more time and effort to get it.
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02/26/2007 03:59:08 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
And although it's certainly a lot slower than RSP, I don't think I ever ran out of memory. |
You'd know. You get a large 'OUT OF MEMORY' bright red text message where the image should be.
I find it pretty quick and easy to use though, when it works. |
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02/26/2007 04:15:38 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
One thing I've noticed with lightroom on several occasions is it dying with an 'out of memory' error when rendering the image views. Has happened 3 times in the last week or so. I know I've only got a dual core 2.4GHz 64 bit AMD system with 2Gb of RAM so I'm on the low end(!), but still.
Anyone else seen this problem ? Edit to add, it only happens when I'm selecting/ working through a large number of images > 300 or more seems to be a common failure point. The RAW files are quite big I suppose - 1DII 8Mp RAW files.
I have even been thinking of formatting it.
I suspect there is some sort of memory leak in the v1.0 build that'll get fixed soon I hope. |
I have seen that a couple of times. It didn't die, but refused access to some of the files when I tried to work on about 200 RAW files from the D200 (around 15MB each). The computer was not happy at all. I could hear it.
I have an Intel P4 with 1GB memory. It's not even a clean machine.
I never thought that a computer like yours would have any problems.
Yeah, maybe it's something they can fix. |
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02/26/2007 06:12:09 PM · #57 |
this is one reason why i am wondering if i can hold off downloading it until say the v1.03 release... what's the point of pseudo-free software if its BUGGY and has to be purchased for current version patches...
Originally posted by Gordon:
I suspect there is some sort of memory leak in the v1.0 build that'll get fixed soon I hope. |
EDIT: i am running a ( cleaner maybe ) set up similar to xions' - so Gordons post got me thinking even harder...
Originally posted by xion:
I have an Intel P4 with 1GB memory. It's not even a clean machine.
I never thought that a computer like yours would have any problems.
Yeah, maybe it's something they can fix. |
Message edited by author 2007-02-26 18:14:13.
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02/26/2007 06:47:35 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by soup:
this is one reason why i am wondering if i can hold off downloading it until say the v1.03 release... what's the point of pseudo-free software if its BUGGY and has to be purchased for current version patches... |
I got to choose automated patching in the setup of my free version, I think.
I am holding off using this in anger until I get to transfer my RSP settings across (software is released next week).
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02/26/2007 06:55:42 PM · #59 |
I've not seen the memory issue at all - though it has fallen over once, I couldn't say why: I've been back over the same territory and it hasn't happened. On a not terribly fierce machine, and with CS open at the same time, and a few other things running, and mangling about 1500 images: it slows up a little, but not too seriously, and it's putting out a web gallery behind this as I write.
I really like that the same tools can be used on jpeg's as well as RAW's of all sorts; the permanence of the history is great, as someone else commented. Once you get your head around the various approaches to making collections and keywording you have a very easy dual-layer categorisation system, similar to that of the really sophisticated DAM programmes like Portfolio. Metadata management is quite good too, so long as you're careful about leaving any default setting kicking about.
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02/26/2007 07:36:35 PM · #60 |
is it good for all v1.x updates or only for the patches released in the next 30 days or whatever time the 'free' version download is valid? IMO it should just tell you the details in the email. i mean we aren't dealing with some mom & pop company...
Originally posted by Matthew:
I got to choose automated patching in the setup of my free version, I think. |
Message edited by author 2007-02-26 19:36:57.
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02/26/2007 08:59:32 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by e301:
I really like that the same tools can be used on jpeg's as well as RAW's of all sorts; the permanence of the history is great, as someone else commented. Once you get your head around the various approaches to making collections and keywording you have a very easy dual-layer categorisation system, similar to that of the really sophisticated DAM programmes like Portfolio. Metadata management is quite good too, so long as you're careful about leaving any default setting kicking about.
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Ed - I've just struggled through processing an image and ended up reverting to RSP. Any hints for the following? Is it just me?
I like to review images quickly in slideshow and rate them - LR forces slides to start from beginning (not from currently selected slide), and when rating it lags, often applying my rating to the subsequent slide. I am using the "slideshow" setting which appears to be set up for presentations - is there a better one somewhere for reviewing?
When processing multiple RAW conversions for Photomatix, I am used to creating 3-5 "new tabs" of settings and then pushing them into the batch queue - I cannot see an easy way of doing this in LR.
Cheers (and apologies for laziness).
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02/26/2007 09:12:45 PM · #62 |
Well, that's not how I work really, so I can't help much. You can use the full image view in Library, tab key to get rid of sidebars, and then the number keys to rate images and the arrows to move to the next - I think that's the nearest approximation of RSP's slideshow.
I never really ended up with that much stuff in the queue in RSP, rarely being in a situation where I could confidently use similar processing for multiple images. There must be a means of storing settings as some kind of preset I would think, and then applying that quickly. But the file management side of exporting isn't well implicated, to my thinking.
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02/27/2007 11:48:55 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
I like to review images quickly in slideshow and rate them - LR forces slides to start from beginning (not from currently selected slide), and when rating it lags, often applying my rating to the subsequent slide. I am using the "slideshow" setting which appears to be set up for presentations - is there a better one somewhere for reviewing?
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I do my image review in the 'library' view. I have the thumbnails along the bottom and the main window in the big view mode. I hide the two side bars and the top bar (hit the small > arrows to hide/ show)
I usually do a multi-pass rating. I'll go through each image, setting them to a 1,2 or 3 rating. 1 to delete, 2 to reject and 3 to keep for the next pass. You set ratings with shift+ the number to set the rating and automatically go to the next image. If you just hit the number it sets the rating. So it is simple to flick through all the images that way, getting down to a first round of selects.
Then I set the filter to 3 stars or higher, and go through again, bumping up good images (hitting 4) or removing images I've changed my mind about (hitting 2 makes them disappear)
Depending on the number of shots, I'll do another pass with the filter set at 4 and bump images up to 5 or down to 3. This usually takes a total of a few minutes for even a large number of files.
Not quite sure what you mean about 'tabs' of settings (never got familiar with RSE/RSP), but for batch processing I either work on one image in develop and select it and highlight the others and do a 'sync' for whatever features I want to be common to them, or if you mean batch processing/ converting, use the export features. Select it, pick 'File -Export' and whatever settings you want, or use ctrl-shift-alt-E (I think that's the combo) to 'export with the same export settings as previous and whatever metadata is attached'
NB: ctrl-shift-alt-E is the move combo in Photoshop that collapses all the previous visible layers onto a new working layer - many people have it aliased to a button on a graphics pad, for example (I have one key on my wacom that just does that combo, works well in lightroom & photoshop)
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02/27/2007 11:50:50 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by e301:
Well, that's not how I work really, so I can't help much. You can use the full image view in Library, tab key to get rid of sidebars, and then the number keys to rate images and the arrows to move to the next - I think that's the nearest approximation of RSP's slideshow.
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The trick is to use 'Shift+' number key. It'd be nice if it would give a shift lock option though. You can also just hit the numbers and use the arrow keys or mouse too.
Message edited by author 2007-02-27 12:52:36. |
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02/27/2007 12:39:19 PM · #65 |
Thanks Gordon - very useful stuff. I will get closer to LR when the RSP conversion tools are available.
Cheers!
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02/28/2007 01:56:58 AM · #66 |
As a RAW converter, I've not been impressed as I use it more.
Features and what not aside, the images do not look as good as that which comes out of DPP.
LR has better ultimate control of colors but overall the colors look muddy compared to the DPP. It's slower than DPP, the noise reduction, sharpening, and the CA reduction is not very effective. I hate that when I plug in my camera, LR automatically turns on.
Highlight recovery is better than the non existent DPP highlight recovery and the slideshow function is nice, but I don't think I'll be using LR as my default RAW converter.
I think I'll be using LR to adjust a few RAW shots that DPP can't handle or to adjust some color on my JPEG images, or for slide shows. I got it for free as I bought a RSP, but I would not buy this for $199.
Just my personal view.
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02/28/2007 01:22:25 PM · #67 |
I just started deeply evaluting 1.0 last night, and I really like what I see so far. It's a gorgeous interface, and has a lot of potential to streamline workflow. What I think it needs is a Neat Image plug in to deal with noise (anyone know if Neat Image has spoken to this yet?), as well as a better sharpener (either USM or Smart Sharpen), then I think I could probably eliminate Photoshop completely.
I do have what I hope to be a simple question. I seem to have a problem manually moving individual photos around within a folder in the Library module. Sometimes when I click and drag a photo, I can't get it to move to a new location in the same folder (i.e., manually choose which order the photos appear in the folder).
Any suggestions? |
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02/28/2007 01:38:48 PM · #68 |
I also have a problem with simply moving images to other folders within LR..... But the interface is beautiful and I really like the program alot but another dislike I discoverd today was the black and whites I create within LR. They dont look as good as they do when I make them in Photoshop. I understand that LR is kind of a quick edit program if you dont have photoshop or dont want to use it but I wish it had photoshops actions some how that would be great.
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02/28/2007 02:00:37 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Zal:
I just started deeply evaluting 1.0 last night, and I really like what I see so far. It's a gorgeous interface, and has a lot of potential to streamline workflow. What I think it needs is a Neat Image plug in to deal with noise (anyone know if Neat Image has spoken to this yet?), as well as a better sharpener (either USM or Smart Sharpen), then I think I could probably eliminate Photoshop completely.
I do have what I hope to be a simple question. I seem to have a problem manually moving individual photos around within a folder in the Library module. Sometimes when I click and drag a photo, I can't get it to move to a new location in the same folder (i.e., manually choose which order the photos appear in the folder).
Any suggestions? |
The folder structure in Library is not the same thing as the folder structure on your computer - that left-hand-side pane is not a version of Explorer: it's a database, so most of what you do in it will not affect the directory structure of your sytem. If you want it to echo your computers directory structure you need to be very careful. |
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02/28/2007 02:17:18 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by yido:
I hate that when I plug in my camera, LR automatically turns on. |
Wow. you plug in your camera ? How long does it typically take you to upload images - say 512Mb worth of files ? Is the 30D a USB2.0 interface ?
If it takes more than a minute you might want to consider a card reader. |
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02/28/2007 02:18:46 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Zal:
I do have what I hope to be a simple question. I seem to have a problem manually moving individual photos around within a folder in the Library module. Sometimes when I click and drag a photo, I can't get it to move to a new location in the same folder (i.e., manually choose which order the photos appear in the folder).
Any suggestions? |
Perhaps to do with the order you have selected to show them in ? If you move them around but it is still set to show them in for example, capture time, then you won't see the change you want ? |
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02/28/2007 02:20:12 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
I also have a problem with simply moving images to other folders within LR..... But the interface is beautiful and I really like the program alot but another dislike I discoverd today was the black and whites I create within LR. They dont look as good as they do when I make them in Photoshop. I understand that LR is kind of a quick edit program if you dont have photoshop or dont want to use it but I wish it had photoshops actions some how that would be great. |
Though LR has some of the most detailed options for B&W conversion available, certainly compared to photoshop, unless you are doing custom masks and that sort of thing. They are hidden a bit in the develop tab, but it has some very fine control options for B&W. Certainly the presets are crap, but that isn't much of a surprise.
have you tried the Greyscale Mixer settings, or is those you don't like ?
Message edited by author 2007-02-28 16:54:33. |
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02/28/2007 02:21:56 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Zal:
I just started deeply evaluting 1.0 last night, and I really like what I see so far. It's a gorgeous interface, and has a lot of potential to streamline workflow. What I think it needs is a Neat Image plug in to deal with noise (anyone know if Neat Image has spoken to this yet?), as well as a better sharpener (either USM or Smart Sharpen), then I think I could probably eliminate Photoshop completely. |
I suspect those will appear soon. Last I looked Adobe hadn't released the third party API documentation for LR, but it supposed to be available soon, with a pretty comprehensive plug-in/ docking app support (you can add new tabs, in the way that the current 'library', 'develop', 'print' etc are integrated. |
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02/28/2007 03:00:46 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Zal:
I just started deeply evaluting 1.0 last night, and I really like what I see so far. It's a gorgeous interface, and has a lot of potential to streamline workflow. What I think it needs is a Neat Image plug in to deal with noise (anyone know if Neat Image has spoken to this yet?), as well as a better sharpener (either USM or Smart Sharpen), then I think I could probably eliminate Photoshop completely. |
I suspect those will appear soon. Last I looked Adobe hadn't released the third party API documentation for LR, but it supposed to be available soon, with a pretty comprehensive plug-in/ docking app support (you can add new tabs, in the way that the current 'library', 'develop', 'print' etc are integrated. |
Gordon, does that mean it will be full non-destructive editting in the case of, say, a neatimage type plugin? That would be nice..
I have been using Lightroom since beta and wasnt too keen on it, but the difference between the last beta and the release version is truely outstanding, I for one will be registering it within the next few weeks. And at last I have imported/moved all my image on all my hard-drives into one centralised area, LR made that incredibly easy, makes backing up my images a lot easier as well now as I know I wont be missing any. Dont get me wrong, LR isnt perfect, but as a `version 1` it really is good. No doubt we will see a version 2 in the next 18 months or so, cant wait to see what the guys at Adobe Labs come up with for that!
Message edited by author 2007-02-28 15:00:59. |
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02/28/2007 03:15:44 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by Zal:
I just started deeply evaluting 1.0 last night, and I really like what I see so far. It's a gorgeous interface, and has a lot of potential to streamline workflow. What I think it needs is a Neat Image plug in to deal with noise (anyone know if Neat Image has spoken to this yet?), as well as a better sharpener (either USM or Smart Sharpen), then I think I could probably eliminate Photoshop completely.
I do have what I hope to be a simple question. I seem to have a problem manually moving individual photos around within a folder in the Library module. Sometimes when I click and drag a photo, I can't get it to move to a new location in the same folder (i.e., manually choose which order the photos appear in the folder).
Any suggestions? |
The folder structure in Library is not the same thing as the folder structure on your computer - that left-hand-side pane is not a version of Explorer: it's a database, so most of what you do in it will not affect the directory structure of your sytem. If you want it to echo your computers directory structure you need to be very careful. |
I understand that, and I'm not looking to do that. I simply want to "reorder" the photos within a folder in Lightroom--just change the order by dragging and dropping. It doesn't seem to work. |
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