Honestly, what's the big deal about Gay Marriage?

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02/16/2007 04:17:10 PM · #652

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Then the kids grow up and have a Mom and Dad, maybe a stepdad or stepmom - but still both sides of the coin if you know what I mean.

I do understand your point, but I know many single moms that have raised children with no support from the "sperm donor".

Louis

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02/16/2007 04:18:04 PM · #653

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Certainly not normal ones...

Nice. Look the kids in the face and tell them they aren't part of a normal family.

02/16/2007 04:18:22 PM · #654

Originally posted by Melethia:

Ah, but your clock still runneth... :)

I seriously doubt you will get a "straight" answer... because it doesn't effect them personally. Unless they are gay or perhaps lose a lover to a gay person... :-)

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02/16/2007 04:19:04 PM · #655

Originally posted by giega:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by muckpond:
... i know at least 4 gay couples that have adopted children that straight people didn't want or couldn't deal with. are you telling me those aren't families? that's bullshit.

Certainly not normal ones...

If you're worried about same sex parent influence on kids, ask if any single parent familes are normal.

True, good point. Unfortunately, it's more normal than it should be. They can still be Mom or Dad however - Mom/Mom or Dad/Dad just isn't normal. It might work (probably does in many cases) - but still not right.

Melethia

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02/16/2007 04:23:08 PM · #656

By the way, I have indeed been told that I have wasted a life (mine) by a man who was espousing his particular flavor of religion. In doing so, he made it perfectly clear that he was the superior being as he'd fathered two children. I did not get the impression from this gentleman that absolution was available for my sins of omission.

thegrandwazoo

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02/16/2007 04:25:06 PM · #657

OK how about a Man and a Woman where the woman was a man but genetically a woman with 2 X chromosomes and 2 Y chromosomes that decides on gender reassignment. They get married and adopt a child and that child is being raised by a mom and dad. Does that work for ya?

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02/16/2007 04:28:27 PM · #658

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Mom/Mom or Dad/Dad just isn't normal. It might work (probably does in many cases) - but still not right.

The statement you made after the hyphen is a big part of what makes it "not normal".

What I mean is the biggest obstacle for parenting a child in a same-sex marriage is not the nurture from the parents, but rather the social stigma they receive from those that believe "it's not right".

yanko

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02/16/2007 04:30:26 PM · #659

Originally posted by Melethia:

Not what I'm looking for. If you believe a man and a women marry to have children, then my sister and her husband should have their marriage annuled. She is physically incapable of having a child.

What I'm looking for is why those of you opposed feel it personally affects YOU if two men or two women chose to marry. And if the whole purpose of life is procreation, I should be put to death, by the way. I have failed.

I'm guessing that allowing gay marriage opens up further "rights" to be granted for example, marriages between adults and children, multiple partners etc. The former could impact one's own kids or their grandkids. I can see why many don't want marriage to be viewed as anything but a man and a woman. Mind you I am for civil unions/gay marriage.

Edited for clarity.

Message edited by author 2007-02-16 16:31:39.

Melethia

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02/16/2007 04:33:09 PM · #660

Heck, if all parties agree, I don't see a problem with multiple partners, either. Everybody still just gets the married filing jointly tax deduction once, though! :)

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02/16/2007 04:34:41 PM · #661

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Kill her at birth, she's an abomination...obviously conceived from sin.

In the eyes of our government (which has set precedence of removing church from state) all civil unions (be it man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, freak/freak) should be the same. The issues between the church and the couple should remain between the church and the couple with no state involvement.

giega

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02/16/2007 04:34:42 PM · #662

Well, why was it normal in middle ages to marry girls at 13? People then were more religious than now...

But there are laws setting marriage age. And multiple partners.. That would be interesting! LOL

Louis

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02/16/2007 04:34:59 PM · #663

Originally posted by yanko:

I'm guessing that allowing gay marriage opens up further "rights" to be granted for example, marriages between adults and children, multiple partners etc.

That's really a non-issue. Extending constitutionally guaranteed rights to those that deserve them doesn't open up the floodgates for all the combinations and permutations of marriage that someone might dream up. Here in Canada, where gay marriage was made legal in 2005, nobody has so far espoused their right to marry their horse, dog, sheep, son or daughter, or any combination thereof, for example.

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02/16/2007 04:36:09 PM · #664

Originally posted by Melethia:

Heck, if all parties agree, I don't see a problem with multiple partners, either. Everybody still just gets the married filing jointly tax deduction once, though! :)

But, claiming 3 wives as dependents would be nice... better yet having 3 incomes from three wives :-)

muckpond

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02/16/2007 04:36:18 PM · #665

Originally posted by glad2badad:

It might work (probably does in many cases) - but still not right.

what's not right about it? it's better to let the kids rot in an orphanage? or be farmed out to a couple with 15 adopted kids?

and who are you to determine what "right" is, anyway?

muckpond

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02/16/2007 04:37:05 PM · #666

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by muckpond:
... i know at least 4 gay couples that have adopted children that straight people didn't want or couldn't deal with. are you telling me those aren't families? that's bullshit.

Certainly not normal ones...

of every batshit thing i've read in this thread, this is the most hurtful and cruel.

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02/16/2007 04:37:14 PM · #667

Originally posted by Melethia:

... the whole purpose of life is procreation, I should be put to death, by the way. I have failed.

Procreation is mentioned only in that God gave us the ability to do so and it's the natural order of life.

I'm not saying that the entire purpose or definition of marriage is to procreate - but a man/man or woman/woman couple is certainly not the norm and cannot exist as God intended.

thegrandwazoo

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02/16/2007 04:38:48 PM · #668

Originally posted by glad2badad:

as God intended.

You have a sit down, face to face with god and he told you this?

RonB

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02/16/2007 04:38:49 PM · #669

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by RonB:
So I assume that your answer is no - you can't ( or won't ) provide any evidence to support your charge.

Again, I needn't (though I could) cite instances of biblical intolerance chapter and verse. We are already making the readers weary with all this off-topic bible talk. And your finesse at diverging the conversation into areas where you hope to trap the arguer in a morass of his own words is commendable, but will get you nowhere.

Wow. You included not one, not two, but THREE of the more common techniques to avoid being exposed:
1) I could provide evidence, but I don't feel it's necessary ( meaning you can't but don't want to admit it ),
2) We've already done enough talking ( a lame excuse given the number and length of your posts thus far ), and
3) You're trying to trap me ( of course I am. And trapped you are. By trying to weasel out of providing evidence to support your arguments, they lose all credibility, which is what I have been maintaining all along )

Louis

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02/16/2007 04:38:59 PM · #670

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Melethia:
... the whole purpose of life is procreation, I should be put to death, by the way. I have failed.

Procreation is mentioned only in that God gave us the ability to do so and it's the natural order of life.

I'm not saying that the entire purpose or definition of marriage is to procreate - but a man/man or woman/woman couple is certainly not the norm and cannot exist as God intended.

Keep your god out of my bed. :P

02/16/2007 04:39:18 PM · #671

Originally posted by muckpond:

... and who are you to determine what "right" is, anyway?

I can only speak for myself certainly. This is a rant thread, and I'm simply stating my position/opinion on the subject at hand.

02/16/2007 04:41:25 PM · #672

Originally posted by Melethia:

For those opposed, how is that a marriage that does not fit your particular definition, be it secular or otherwise, hurts you personally? This is a serious question, one to which I do not want cited references, merely your personal response.

I found your answer... Less available actors for gay porn ;-)

Originally posted by Matthew:

This might be a good point to bring up the subject that studies indicate that a large proportion (c.80%) of "straight" homophobic men are physically aroused by gay porn, whereas "straight" non-homophobic men are not. A probable conclusion is that homophobic men are acting out of repression of their homosexual desires...!

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02/16/2007 04:42:08 PM · #673

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
as God intended.

You have a sit down, face to face with god and he told you this?

Unfortunately no, I wish. How about you? Do you believe in God?

thegrandwazoo

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02/16/2007 04:42:57 PM · #674

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
as God intended.

You have a sit down, face to face with god and he told you this?

Unfortunately no, I wish. How about you? Do you believe in God?

I have faith in that which is! I am!