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06/23/2003 03:06:47 PM · #26 |
Well, I think you pay for what you get - don't ever sell yourself short.
I once paid $550 for a picture of a monkey. It all depend s what it's to be used for. If it was to put up on my TV at home, well then it would be worth not much at all. If I used it in my work, for a client advert, then it's suddenly worth a fraction of what I am being paid.
The same goes for paintings, I can;t see why so many pieces are a million plus! But there is a buyer out there somewhare that does.
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06/23/2003 03:09:33 PM · #27 |
My recent experiences tend to agree with jonpink .
People value what they pay for.
I'm working with photographers who regularly charge $3000 or more for a 20" square print, with some mild photoshop editing done to it.
They also sell flower macros for upwards of $900 per print (again at the 16" to 20" type size) |
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06/23/2003 03:15:55 PM · #28 |
| This is making me think about halving the prices on the 4x5 and 4x6 prints, and increasing the prices on the larger prints by a hundred-fold. |
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06/23/2003 03:23:34 PM · #29 |
But are they doing their prints themselves? I'll bet they are doing the prints themselves, instead of through DPC.
Also what's their original medium? Medium format slides or Large format slides?
Originally posted by Gordon:
My recent experiences tend to agree with jonpink .
People value what they pay for.
I'm working with photographers who regularly charge $3000 or more for a 20" square print, with some mild photoshop editing done to it.
They also sell flower macros for upwards of $900 per print (again at the 16" to 20" type size) |
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06/23/2003 03:32:55 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by paganini:
But are they doing their prints themselves? I'll bet they are doing the prints themselves, instead of through DPC.
Also what's their original medium? Medium format slides or Large format slides?
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These are machine prints from scanned negatives, worked in photoshop. Mostly medium format negatives originally.
Message edited by author 2003-06-23 15:33:38. |
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06/23/2003 03:34:56 PM · #31 |
I wouldn't have expected digital cameras as their original source.... gotta have enough resolution. I am surprised that they're not slides though.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by paganini:
But are they doing their prints themselves? I'll bet they are doing the prints themselves, instead of through DPC.
Also what's their original medium? Medium format slides or Large format slides?
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These are machine prints from scanned negatives, worked in photoshop. Mostly medium format negatives originally. |
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06/23/2003 03:40:32 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by paganini:
I wouldn't have expected digital cameras as their original source.... gotta have enough resolution. I am surprised that they're not slides though. |
Yeah, the $900 prints are just 35mm negatives though, with some post work in photoshop. |
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06/23/2003 03:44:03 PM · #33 |
to answer the original post, I think if people feel that $50 for 16"x size print is too much, then they have no concept of what it is that they are buying.
You aren't buying the paper or the printing process. You are buying the output of someone's creative thought and technical skill. You are also buying something that is not mass produced or duplicated. Walmart have plenty of posters for a much lower price point that might better serve people looking for prints in that range. |
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06/23/2003 05:10:22 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
to answer the original post, I think if people feel that $50 for 16"x size print is too much, then they have no concept of what it is that they are buying.
You aren't buying the paper or the printing process. You are buying the output of someone's creative thought and technical skill. You are also buying something that is not mass produced or duplicated. Walmart have plenty of posters for a much lower price point that might better serve people looking for prints in that range. |
so true, very few are even in that midset here at dpc |
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06/23/2003 05:19:44 PM · #35 |
| I've bought several of my favorite prints from people here at dpc, and I think the prices are more than reasonable. I hang them in my studio for inspiration. :) I just sold six 16x20 prints to a new hospital in my area for $225 apiece - granted, they have my signature on them, but really, if I want to ask for $20 - $30 for a large print on this site, I think I'm giving folks a bargain. |
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06/23/2003 05:23:55 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by achiral:
so true, very few are even in that midset here at dpc |
Ultimately, though, our target market is not our fellow DPC users but people will wall space they are looking to decorate. This is homeowners, renters, business owners... anyone with a wall that feels (or can be convinced) that their wall would look better with something hanging on it, and that something is a print from //www.dpcprints.com. This is the type of person who is willing to pay a good sum of money for a good quality print, and this is the type of person we should be targeting, and pricing for.
If anything, I think far more photographers are UNDERPRICED than overpriced.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2003-06-23 17:24:26.
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06/23/2003 05:27:13 PM · #37 |
| the internet mindset in terms of buyers is people are able to find the lowest possible prices for virtually anything. that's what hurts dpcprints IMO in the case of trying to attract people who are willing to spend lots of money to fill a space. |
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06/23/2003 05:29:15 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by achiral:
the internet mindset in terms of buyers is people are able to find the lowest possible prices for virtually anything. that's what hurts dpcprints IMO in the case of trying to attract people who are willing to spend lots of money to fill a space. |
I think it's more the fact that the word just isn't out there. Advertising of the site has been minimal... let's take advantage of the referral program guys! We're selling unique artwork, not a widget that is the same widget somewhere else. If we get enough eyeballs to the site, some of those eyeballs will be connected to brains that like our work and wallets fat enough to pay for it.
I have some ads running in an email newsletter starting most likely tomorrow... I'm hopeful it will generate some sales for everyone.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2003-06-23 17:30:53.
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06/23/2003 05:51:17 PM · #39 |
I'm with John on having my prints discounted for DPC members. I think that would be a great option. I did lower a few of my prints but as of now I am leaving them at the price they are. I feel they are worth what I have set for them:) So, go buy my stuff ! :)
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06/23/2003 05:53:51 PM · #40 |
I'm not sure if it'd be a good idea to discount prints for DPC members, if we're thinking along the lines of profit for the site. I'm guessing the bulk (probably 90%) of the print orders come from people already affiliated with DPC.
Until yesterday, I had a three foot panorama up for $8. My prints are cheap, but I still haven't sold any. |
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06/23/2003 06:05:24 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:
I'm with John on having my prints discounted for DPC members. I think that would be a great option. I did lower a few of my prints but as of now I am leaving them at the price they are. I feel they are worth what I have set for them:) So, go buy my stuff ! :) |
There is effectively a discount for members. If a member goes to their OWN referral link (mine is //clubjuggle.dpcprints.com) and then browses to the photo they wish to buy, they will earn the referral bonus (25% of markup) on the prints they purchased.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2003-06-23 18:05:42.
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06/23/2003 06:15:58 PM · #42 |
How about setting up a system (formal or informal) where several other members suggest what THEY would price YOUR prints at ... or if they'd pull them altogether?
I support people pricing their stuff based on artistic value and not the production cost ... I'm just not in the targeted pool of customers for that. My question would be, do people prefer the "walL-mArt" stuff because they like it or that's all they can afford? I somewhat deplore societal divisions created by the linking of money and art. |
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06/23/2003 06:24:50 PM · #43 |
How many people actually sell photograhs on this site? By that I mean recive money for pictures, not have them up for sale.
I woudl like to add a select few of my B&W industrial images, but I woudl ahve them up for a few hiundredd dollars each and to give DPCprints 50% is pretty harsh unless there are a large number of buyers.
Going back to price, if I put my best image up for sale at $5, it may sell 300 copies (this is only for arguments sake, I really wouldn;t expect anyone let alone 300). So everyone that see it knows that there will be 300+ other people with the same copy - same print.
However, if someone comes along and sees the print up for $10000 he / she knows it's not going to be owned by many people, and that is part of the enojyment for some (very rich) people.
A ral life exaple which fasanates me is the old photoshop on canvas trick. There is a man, whom takes pictures of the stars (David & Victoria Beckham being a recent purchaser) and imports them into PS, then adds a very basic filter - either pixelate or twist - then prints it onto canvas (a pretty cheap process).
These can be done by most graphic designers in a matter of minuets,and cost woudl be a total of $20.00.
BUT, the point is, this chap has developed a name for himself, he was the person that started the whole thing, and he commands around $200,000 per print.
This instamaticaly makes his images exclusive, and exclusive things do not have to look good to look good.
Personaly, I think the Mona Lisa is a horrible painting. If i saw it at car boot sale for $10 (and not knowing it was worth anything) I would probably ignore it.
The most important lesson I have learnt in this industry (Graphic Design & Photography) is that there is no accounting for taste. |
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06/23/2003 06:26:00 PM · #44 |
| I wouldn't buy a cheap photo if I didn't like it. But I'm way more likely to buy a cheap photo that I like than an expensive one that I like. Or even buy the smaller of the prints offered cause they are cheaper. We aren't rich, but I still appreciate good shots. |
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