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02/05/2007 12:09:49 AM · #1 |
No, of course not.
But, if I started WET (White entertainment Channel) I'd be a racist. Or if I wanted White History month; I'd be a racist.
Things like BET and Black History Month only breed division in our country.
Really pisses me off.
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02/05/2007 12:20:59 AM · #2 |
every month is white history month. every channel is white entertainment channel. except UPN.
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02/05/2007 12:21:52 AM · #3 |
I don't think they breed division. Neither of those two examples you made seem to promote one race and deny anything to any others.
The pretenses by which you create something like that will determine whether or not it's racist.
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02/05/2007 12:25:08 AM · #4 |
You may want to step back and take another look ...
as long as there is CMT there will be BET
As long as the stars and bars fly over statehouses there needs to be Black History month...
Just from where I sit
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02/05/2007 12:27:19 AM · #5 |
and there is WE and Lifetime for Women and the Speed Channel and ESPN for men... I really don't see the point in your rant.
And you have MTV for teens and VH1 Classic for us gen-x folks. Oh and CMT for hicks (I can say that cuz I are one). :-)
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02/05/2007 12:35:18 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by bigalpha:
No, of course not.
But, if I started WET (White entertainment Channel) I'd be a racist. Or if I wanted White History month; I'd be a racist.
Things like BET and Black History Month only breed division in our country.
Really pisses me off. |
You truly should take the time to review the comments you penned, analyze their contents and then re-visit the title of your thread... you may find a slight dichotomy could be inferred by some.
Just a thought.
Ray
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02/05/2007 09:24:34 AM · #7 |
Like metioned before I dont see your point of post or rant. I agree with the those awesome post that everyone responded with, there are so many channels out there especially on cable that are directed at all different groups of people (age, sex, sports, etc.). Also I dont think its right to say that BET or black history month breed division in our country. Why would that piss you off? And if so would'nt that lifetime channel, MTV, SPIKE TV (aka the man channel) and all those other channels that are directed to certain groups.... well as you said it breed division in our country or they should piss you off as well.
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02/05/2007 09:45:17 AM · #8 |
yeh i agree with the others.
what about the spanish channel, gay/lesbian channel, religious channels, etc....I wouldnt say you were a racist but you obviously have something against "us" thinking we are taking something away from you.
Just because those channels are named for those groups doesnt mean i dont watch them. well i dont watch much of the spanish channel because i dont know the language and i'm not religious so i dont watch that either but as for the others i will watch.
If anyone is dividing the country its people like you who make an issue out of meaningless rants like this. So many people of all races are always so worried about who is getting this or that. Who freakin cares! Its 2007 and we should all be equal by now. |
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02/05/2007 10:41:16 AM · #9 |
I believe that the original poster "bigalpha" was stating his perception from a white males persepctive. In other words, the rules for whites are different than the rules for others people groups. He is specifically ranting about blacks, and their apparent edge to behave in ways that get whites in trouble. For example, blacks can use racial ephitets without rebuke, even calling white people racially charged mnames. However, the same is not so for whites using similar terminology. Blacks can claim the "racisism" card (read Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the congresswoman who recently lost her seat and was claimed harassment/assault by the Capitol Police, Rodney King, etc. etc. etc.) Whites that get assualted during black riots can't claim the same "racisism". Asians and Blacks as well as Latinos and Blacks have as storied a history as Whites and Blacks.
I believe the responses so far to the rant were too superficial in their treatment of racisism as a part of life in this world. Either it is true that whites do not have the same latitude as blacks in the social forums or it is false. If it is false, then state your cases.
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02/05/2007 10:56:57 AM · #10 |
I know of Blacks (or is it African American...) that have been 'profiled' and pulled over for driving in 'the wrong neighborhood'. It's not right nor fair.
BUT, as long as Blacks play the race card themselves and continue to ask for special treatment or reparations, etc, they will be 'seperate and unequal'.
America is the land of opportunity, but it's not handed to you. If you want to succeed you can, many people do it every day - some that don't speak english and came here with $10 in their pockets have done it. They succeed because they try to fit in, work and don't try all day long to claim racism and prejudice and events that occurred before they were born are keeping them back.
I'm not a racist. I'm a lazy-ist - get up and get to work and quit complaining about your lot in life - do something about it yourself, cause nobody else will.
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02/05/2007 11:17:12 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
BUT, as long as Blacks play the race card themselves and continue to ask for special treatment or reparations, etc, they will be 'seperate and unequal'.
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My very good friend, who is an African-American male, feels the same way. I used that term to be PC. He claims he is not from Africa, but from America and would rather just be called an American. He has a masters degree and is not one bit lazy. He often rants about "black only" scholarships and the like, claiming it does make black people lazy and gives them a sense of entitlement. He owns 3 homes and 2 very nice cars. He also states that not all blacks originate from Africa, so it's an inaccurate term to start. If you are black and come from another country and are filling out a form with only the options of African-American, Caucasian, Asian, etc, what do you check? Remember, I'm voicing his opinion here (which I hear often enough since we talk a lot of politics), not my own.
The funny thing is his wife, who is white and also has a masters degree, is the opposite. She is very excited about Obama Barrak (spelling?) running for president, but on the other hand she's not sure he's black enough to be considered black (her exact words). The funniest thing is when she gave birth to their first child she was appalled that the baby looked white! He has since darkened to a beautiful chocolate brown. LOL.
And the weird thing is, I agree with them both. Everyone needs to know their heritage. Yet, I don't feel as human beings anyone should be singled out for anything based on skin color.
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02/05/2007 11:30:05 AM · #12 |
I don't know, maybe it's the fact that (correct me if my PC is wrong) black people often have this attitude about them that white people are inferior. Maybe it's just the area I live in. Of course, I'm just speaking in generalizations because I know not everyone acts the same way. I have friends who are black; in fact, one of my best friends is black.
See, the point that I was getting at about BET and all that stuff is that it DOES breed division. What were to happen if I were to start a White Entertainment channel? I mean, seriously think about it. Can you really sit there and tell me that nobody would get offended by it? hardly.
Here is a great example of what I'm trying to explain: White Club
I mean SHIT!!!!!! No white club because it's racist. Oh, here's a follow-up to that story: Follow Up
It's shit like that that pisses me off.
I'm glad that there are a couple of people in this forum can see where I'm coming from, instead of just trying use what I said against me.
For the record, I have no problem of anybody from any race. I just think it's bullshit that Blacks are always talking about white people and how we are so racist against them for whatever reason; then they go home and watch a television station for BLACK ENTERTAINMENT.
Why isn't it African American Entertainment?
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 11:37:52.
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02/05/2007 11:30:36 AM · #13 |
Children should be taught that what matters most in life is what you make of yourself. It doesn't matter where you come from, it doesn't matter what happened to the people before you. You are here now, and this is your opportunity to shape the world.
If everyone was taught that from the cradle, most of the baggage associated with race and religion would disappear.
An appreciation of 'culture' does nothing but reinforce a belief that there is some historical event or events that in some way defines who you are and how you relate to everyone else in the world. American blacks as slaves, Jews as a historically repressed religious minority, Shia or Sunni as the one sect with the 'true' religious point of view - you name the group and there is something in history that can be used to segregate them and cripple their point of view in the present.
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02/05/2007 11:49:26 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
Like metioned before I dont see your point of post or rant. I agree with the those awesome post that everyone responded with, there are so many channels out there especially on cable that are directed at all different groups of people (age, sex, sports, etc.). Also I dont think its right to say that BET or black history month breed division in our country. Why would that piss you off? And if so would'nt that lifetime channel, MTV, SPIKE TV (aka the man channel) and all those other channels that are directed to certain groups.... well as you said it breed division in our country or they should piss you off as well. |
That's a ridiculous analogy to make. When has there EVER been a riot because old people feel discriminated against? OK, how does a Sports channel breed division in our country? Same question for MTV and VH1. If you are going to claim (ridiculously) that these kind of channels can breed division and create problems in our country then I will need to see proof. C'mon man, how about some real debate and not mindless crap.
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02/05/2007 11:51:08 AM · #15 |
It's the double standard.
The "n" word is bad, but it's not as bad as teh "w" word. "White" is the word you can't say on the air.
(ie: last night we were driving home from visiting family out of state and on the radio was a comment by the radio dj to the effect of the the "black " channel.
Had I ever said that when I dj'd on the radio but used "white" it would have been a lawsuit.
To say that CMT, NASCAR, etc. is white is just as racist as saying that station was black. It is divisive.
There is a double-standard. And before you go an say that well, they were slaves and we white people did it to them:
a) they were sold into slavery by fellow africans (the prior practice before there was a slave market was to kill all of them)
b) just cause I'm white does not mean I am to blame for slavery, that is the most bigoted racist thing ever promoted. I am 3/4 Italian and 1/4 Russian/Cossack/Bohemian. My family emmigrated to America long after the end of slavery. Furthermore, Russia had it's form of slavery (serfdom only real difference is you were owned by the land, couldn't be bought or sold individually but if someone bought the land they got you as their slaves too). That didn't end until after slavery ended in the U.S.
c) my family has already paid dues for crimes we did not commit. My family owned acres and acres of land. All bought with extremely hard work. The kids worked jobs and every penny they made went into that land. Well, the government in giving reperations for slavery decided to build projects. They condemn all of my family's land (the new immigrants) so they could buy it at no more than a 10th it's value. And built the projects on it.
d) I learned very little of my culture except what I learned on my own. As pretty much every single thing in school was focused on black history month and hispanic month, etc. It wasn't a month or a week. It was the whole year! We didn't read any classics. We only read political books on racism and prejudice. We sat in classes that taught black children to hate white children from crimes they never experienced and never perpetrated.
e) I have suffered nearly every form of racism I learned about in school. I have been beat up, called names, harassed, forced to sit in a special section of a city bus. Denied access to programs. All because my skin color is white. Worse, when I talked to head of the regional the black KKK (that would be the NAACP) and shared my experiences in hopes of building a common ground I was flatly told none of it was true and none of it ever happened.
f) I also have little respect for people decrying slavery that is centuries old but don't give a care about slavery that is going on present day. If you are going to speak out regarding the slavery that goes on in Africa, Asia and even in American Chinese sweat shops today. Then why should I care about your slavery that happened over a hundred years ago to people now dead.
g) Chinese - the way the african-american community as a whole treats chinese is despiscable. I've watched a van full of black teens pull up and harass a chinese student they didn't know. They were ready to jump him and rough him up till he quickly grabbed two glass bottles from a garbage can to defend himself. And I set my stuff down and started to approach and they drove off. I've been in a Chinese take out in the ghetto and watched basically every black in that take out use every swear and racist slur they could think of against that poor Chinese family. I was horrified... it was disgusting. I couldn't imagine what the conditions were like in China that they left to move here and put up with all that abuse day after day. Is it any wonder they work so hard to see their children suceed academically? In my town a government renovated building was being offered to a minority group to start a business. An asian family won the proposal. They were sued. It was demanded that it go to a black or hispanic family. The asian family finally just went and found another building and started a successful business. I think that is why the common minorities dislike, even hate Asians...they have both the problems of the black and hispanic community (not-white and don't speak the language), but they repeatedly time after time succeed. WHY?
Simple...they don't have the attitude. They don't blame everything on others. They work hard, if they fail, they try again...and keep doing so.
I took a course in the History of Nazi-Germany. We also did a section on modern racism, neo-Nazi's, etc. One film we watched had a leader of the KKK discussing how they tried for years to destroy the black family and failed. The welfare system did it in a handful of decades. Their only complaint...they can't claim it as their own invention.
The saddest thing for me is the fact that a culture has been brewed that demonizes almost all successful (non-sport) black/african-american. Bill Cosby, Colin Powell, Condoliza Rice and others. I've been very glad to see a number of positive male role-model movies for black fathers coming out including; "The Pursuit of Happyness" & "Daddy's Little Girls". As I truly believe the welfare system destroyed families by often requiring that the father not be around. This has helped create a legacy of fatherless families. We need more positive role-models in our society (irregardless of race, ethnicity or skin color).
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Sure...some might call me a racist. But I'm not. 1/2 of the women I have dated over my lifetime have been black. In high school I even punched a friend for making a derogatory racist joke.
I am just sick and tired of being demonized soley for my skin color. Blamed for a history that me and my ancestors were not involved in.
HOW LONG DO YOU HOLD THE HATE?
A black student blamed a white student for slavery, and keeping them as slaves. The white student responded that he never kept slaves. The black student responded, well your ancestors kept my ancestors as slaves. So you're guilty. The white student responded. I'm Jewish, and your ancestors kept my ancestors as slaves in Africa for 400 years....so consider us even.
HOW LONG DO YOU HOLD THE HATE?
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 14:26:55. |
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02/05/2007 12:04:27 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by "Prof_Fate":
I know of Blacks (or is it African American...) that have been 'profiled' and pulled over for driving in 'the wrong neighborhood'. It's not right nor fair. |
And I know many whites who have been beaten up for being in the wrong neighborhood. Nope...neither is fair. Both NEED TO BE STOPPED.
Originally posted by "Prof_Fate":
Blacks (or is it African American...) |
BTW...not all blacks like the term African American. My wife's brother-in-law is black. In fact, he is blacker than 90% of the people who consider themselves black. But he doesn't consider himself African. He's Bahemian (from the Bahamas). He also feels that many of the african-americans he works with are wrong when it comes to prejudice. Not to deny it exists but it is not the barrier to success. He came here, worked hard, was respectful and has continuously moved upwardly in his work.
BTW...there are some great films that address these issues in an insightful way. I recently saw "Crash" and heartily recommend it. It is a great discourse on racism while avoiding political correctness. It only scratches the surface but it delivers a multitude of sides.
Also, there was a reality TV show called "Black White" done by Ice Cube. In which two families are switched via Hollywood make-up artists. A white family becomes a black family and a black family becomes a white family. They go into the world. You see the individual prejudices.
Now in both cases I think they only scratch the surface and both missed opportunities to expose the matter. But both deal with the fact that prejudice and racism is not limited to any group.
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 15:56:36. |
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02/05/2007 12:27:17 PM · #17 |
A few years ago, I was in Philadelphia visiting some friends. They are Vietnamese. We planned on going to a night club. When we got there, a sign was posted "Asian Night". I was the only Caucasian in the group and was not allowed in. We ended up going somewhere else.
I can't imagine how that is possible. I assume it still must happen.
I don't want to join the KKK or anything, but what if, someone wanted to have a "White Night." I don't think that can happen, but after reading some of the posts here, I guess you can say "Country Music Night" and get the same crowd.
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02/05/2007 01:03:33 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by TonyT:
A few years ago, I was in Philadelphia visiting some friends. They are Vietnamese. We planned on going to a night club. When we got there, a sign was posted "Asian Night". I was the only Caucasian in the group and was not allowed in. We ended up going somewhere else.
I can't imagine how that is possible. I assume it still must happen.
I don't want to join the KKK or anything, but what if, someone wanted to have a "White Night." I don't think that can happen, but after reading some of the posts here, I guess you can say "Country Music Night" and get the same crowd. |
yeah, but all white people don't like country music.
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02/05/2007 01:19:09 PM · #19 |
wow sorry I did not to make ya mad....
but anyway I understand what you are saying about that girls story trying to start a group a her school and she should very well be allowed too. Its not right or fair that other students treated her like that at all. Like what routerguy666 said in his post Children should be taught that what matters most in life is what you make of yourself.. It sad that kids or the world act like that today.
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 13:23:09.
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02/05/2007 01:19:32 PM · #20 |
I never said it has to play country music, just say it does.
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02/05/2007 01:31:14 PM · #21 |
just reading over the girls follow up story again about wanting to start the group.. and its just a shame that people still act like that, just because of the name of her group but like you said what about all the other groups names. It a touchy subject for some but it should not be..... . I just sent to my best friend who is white and he said it sucks too. Thats a shame that the girl had to switch schools.
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02/05/2007 01:39:57 PM · #22 |
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02/05/2007 02:05:21 PM · #23 |
oh, how we love to divide...and multiply!
my ancestors are probably buried in glacial ice right now. or under 10000 years of earth. hey, so are yours! funny, you and me don't look alike. well, maybe we're also descendants of genghis khan. or mozart! hey, you, what if a few hundred years ago you WERE black? people change, man. i may be ukranian and finnish, but i prefer to call myself a VIKING. actually, my favorite auntie ancestor was the first to figure out how to bury the dead. don't you know i come from greatness? i can trace my roots all the way back to 1979, the year i was born. and hey, i watch vh1 AND bet, so what the hell does that make me - old and black? i also like those home design shows...shit, maybe my ancestors were the first interior designers. balls! you know this is all pointless, don't you? it's all fabricated, you know that right? you may think you're from Country X, but try looking at a map that wasn't drawn in the 19th, 20th, or 21st centuries. it's all a silly play at creating meaning in our silly lives. race evolves, too, yaknow. we'll get past it. give it time.
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02/05/2007 03:53:21 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by bigalpha:
Originally posted by TonyT:
A few years ago, I was in Philadelphia visiting some friends. They are Vietnamese. We planned on going to a night club. When we got there, a sign was posted "Asian Night". I was the only Caucasian in the group and was not allowed in. We ended up going somewhere else.
I can't imagine how that is possible. I assume it still must happen.
I don't want to join the KKK or anything, but what if, someone wanted to have a "White Night." I don't think that can happen, but after reading some of the posts here, I guess you can say "Country Music Night" and get the same crowd. |
yeah, but all white people don't like country music. |
And all black people dont like BET--- Hell I am not even sure where it is on my cable lineup
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02/05/2007 04:05:59 PM · #25 |
We all bleed red...that should be enough IMHO
(If we need to hate something for differences, we should simply hate Horshoe Crabs as they bleed green!) |
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