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01/24/2007 03:04:32 PM · #1 |
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01/24/2007 03:06:16 PM · #2 |
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01/24/2007 06:43:35 PM · #3 |
OK, I have a question...Is this shallow DOF, or is it Bokeh?
Yes, I understand that the same principles will achieve each effect, but to me the end result is 2 separate things. It nearly appears that a Bokeh photo is judged as the same.
I suppose, a well thought out original image is whats going to do well (looking to improve here, not win), so maybe I need to be aiming at that |
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01/24/2007 06:47:24 PM · #4 |
I don't think I've entered a challenge on the first day before... but, the weather is better in Vancouver now, and I got a shot today that's perfect for the challenge, so why not?
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01/24/2007 06:54:05 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by hoffy:
OK, I have a question...Is this shallow DOF, or is it Bokeh?
Yes, I understand that the same principles will achieve each effect, but to me the end result is 2 separate things. It nearly appears that a Bokeh photo is judged as the same.
I suppose, a well thought out original image is whats going to do well (looking to improve here, not win), so maybe I need to be aiming at that |
Shallow DOF and Bokeh ARE related, but you can have bokeh without the DOF being shallow. Many in the last shallow DOF went WAY too shallow IMHO. The point of shallow DOF is to force the subject to stand out from the foreground/background/both. When the subject has a line of in focus and the rest is blurred. It makes my eyes cross. Bleh. |
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01/24/2007 06:56:06 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by hoffy:
OK, I have a question...Is this shallow DOF, or is it Bokeh?
Yes, I understand that the same principles will achieve each effect, but to me the end result is 2 separate things. It nearly appears that a Bokeh photo is judged as the same.
I suppose, a well thought out original image is whats going to do well (looking to improve here, not win), so maybe I need to be aiming at that |
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Um the question while valid still pointless. The title doesnt say Bokey, the description doesnt say Bokeh. If you can create a shalow depth of feild like effect any other way go ahead. I lacking a Digital SLR at the moment will be using macro mode on a Point and shoot with a closley focused object at the minimum focal point and maximum object distance with a vast background to create the effect. |
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01/25/2007 04:25:28 PM · #7 |
| I forgot to add a border to my image so I was going to upload a new version but then I noticed that there is a small black border around it. Will that thin border be visible during voting or is it only in preview mode? I will not upload a new version if the border will be there as is. |
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01/25/2007 04:28:42 PM · #8 |
| I'm really going to vote strongly on the "creative use" bit in the challenge description. Pretty easy to have a shallow depth of field, to use it creatively, now that is pretty hard. |
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01/25/2007 04:29:45 PM · #9 |
| There is a shallow DOF challenge going on right now? Hmmmmm... :D |
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01/25/2007 04:37:19 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Larus:
There is a shallow DOF challenge going on right now? Hmmmmm... :D |
Stay away. You'll like table shot better...
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01/25/2007 04:48:57 PM · #11 |
The way bokah was described to me was that the background area was as much a part of the story as the subject.
So a picture of a candle on a cake can be shallow dof. but if you have a face in the background, slightly out of focus, about to blow out the candle... you have bokah.
It is in my opinion that a bokah shot can qualify for a shallow dof shot. but not the other way around.
Anyway, that is how I understand the difference.
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01/28/2007 06:43:49 AM · #12 |
If you look at the link provided at the top for the past 'Shallow' challenge, I think you'll find (imho) that the top two winners are actually what I am beleiving to be Bokeh.
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Not until the third place winner do we find BOTH foreground and background slightly out of focus.
Then there is another 'Bokeh' and then a 'Shallow'. Followed by 'Bokeh', 'Bokeh', 'Bokeh', 'Shallow' and the top 10 rounds out with a 'Bokeh'
So...? It's getting close and the DNMC'ers are on the prowl. Which is it!?!?!?!?!
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01/28/2007 10:13:08 AM · #13 |
the difference here is that poor bokeh or lack of shouldn't be voted down upon. it's quite likely that many entries will contain good bokeh, but it is not a requirement in this challenge -vs a 'bokeh' challenge where shallow DOF and the appearance of the OOF areas are both key.
in other words not having bokeh shouldn't be a DMNC.
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01/28/2007 05:03:56 PM · #14 |
| I think I have come to that conclusion as well. |
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01/28/2007 06:39:52 PM · #15 |
| Looking at the past winners, I think I chose the right entry, ALTHOUGH the voting is totally different now overall than it was then, so I guess it's a crap shoot as to know what to enter. I put in the one I like best, so that should be all that matters (but it isn't). HA |
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01/28/2007 07:28:47 PM · #16 |
it's not about what the voters think... it's about challenging yourself to take an image that YOU think others will enjoy.
well fitting the challenge is a good thing - but you know what i mean.
Message edited by author 2007-01-28 19:29:58.
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01/28/2007 09:12:01 PM · #17 |
This doesn't have bokeh, but I think it's a pretty good example of shallow DOF, no?
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01/28/2007 10:04:11 PM · #18 |
Oh my g.....
192 submissions already.....
I have to seriously think about putting a camera on a table instead.... |
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01/30/2007 10:52:30 PM · #19 |
| Last minute submission of a photo that I'm not really happy with. Whee! I forsee myself hovering over my update button in sheer disappointment. "I didn't know you could give negative scores!" |
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01/30/2007 11:27:07 PM · #20 |
| Okay, I'm going with the creative image shallow DOF, rather than a really great simple shallow DOF. It's bound to fail. Creativity is in the mind of the beholder. We'll see if going against my common sense choice will turn out to be a good decision. I'd guess not! |
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01/30/2007 11:34:07 PM · #21 |
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401 entries??? Wow! Why not post your opinion/history here on this high number of entries.
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01/31/2007 08:48:29 AM · #22 |
i have a question that maybe should have been asked earlier - but did not know this was an issue until now. Got a comment about how foreground and background should be OOF. So can someone define for me "Shallow DOF" using "dummies" terms. Is it just a pin point of focus? I guess - what makes it shallow? Not an art school major here - just someone who picked up a camera and started using it. So please use simple terms lol.
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01/31/2007 09:04:37 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
i have a question that maybe should have been asked earlier - but did not know this was an issue until now. Got a comment about how foreground and background should be OOF. So can someone define for me "Shallow DOF" using "dummies" terms. Is it just a pin point of focus? I guess - what makes it shallow? Not an art school major here - just someone who picked up a camera and started using it. So please use simple terms lol. |
Some may argue here but the point to me on a shallow DOF is to OOF most anything but your subject or a part of your subject. this could be a few incnes to a pin point. to me learning a shallow DOF is all about enhancing how the subject is viewed and not so much as how small can I make my DOF. For example Keeping a persons face in focus but nothing else, or keeping say noe to cheeks in focus and lettong the focus slip as it gets to the ears ( alot of people are self concious about their ears) I personally dont think it is simply ohh I can take a shot focused on a small small area like a pin head ect... |
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01/31/2007 04:15:35 PM · #24 |
| I agree. Getting the shallowest DOF possible is not the point of this challenge. If that was true I'd just get my macro converter out and have a 1mm focal field. |
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01/31/2007 05:13:26 PM · #25 |
Here's a comment I have received that has stunned me:
"not shallow.. shallow means LOTS of blur that highlights the subject very clearly, usually from very close range"
my shot uses "planes of focus", and they are distinct... It's also scoring in the 6's...
R.
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