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Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

01/29/2007 09:31:17 PM · #29

As long as we're trading silly links, let's not forget the ever popular Why Mac Sucks.

Nald

Nikon D700

01/29/2007 09:38:53 PM · #30

Originally posted by breadfan35:

And another one on YouTube.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM

HAHAHAHA AWESOME post!

breadfan35

Nikon D3

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G

01/29/2007 10:11:53 PM · #31

Originally posted by Louis:

As long as we're trading silly links, let's not forget the ever popular Why Mac Sucks.

You know I have had that video for a long time and love it, it's funny as hell. But just so you know the guy in the video, Hunter Cressel, is a Mac guy. Always has been and (I would bet) still is.

I was going to post a link to a page where he answers peoples emails about the spoof vid, but it's down right now. But here is the link:

//www.happynowhere.net/

Try it later and maybe it will be back up.

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

01/30/2007 07:17:19 AM · #32

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:

Originally posted by crayon:
one of the things i liked about Vista is the ability to plug in a USBdrive and have it used as RAM memory - cool!

Dont get two excited first off. It doesn't use the USB Drive for files bigger then 4K thats right 4K. ALso ther drive has to be 256 MB or higher and pass a certain speed test.

Huh? If you're referring to ReadyBoost, the technology that uses a flash drive to cache memory manage data to essentially speed up the system, then you won't be using the drive to store files. It will only be used for the ReadyBoost cache, and only stores encrypted memory data. If you're referring to how Vista stores files generally on flash drives, you're wrong about the file size.

I was reffering to readyboost and i know everything you've said lmao the cache files or fragments wontbe more then 4k. I tested 5 different USB drives 4 of them over 256 and not a single one of them were compatible with ready boost. The first one was 128 mb then i read the help file to find out what the requirements are. I dont have any with a decent transfer rate. ALso it has to be a USB Flash Drive.... don't use a Flash card through a usb reader... reads out unsupported interface!

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 07:25:37.

pacpinto

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 II

01/30/2007 07:30:50 AM · #33

Originally posted by yann:

It's not even out yet and SP1 is already planned. I can already hear my customers screaming because their PC is f***ed after upgrading to Vista.

(I work in a PC repair shop)

Just going from Internet Explorer version 6 to version 7 was a nightmare. Hell is coming my way with the release of Vista.

Man can I understand you. Luckily for me my main work is supporting and programming systems in Linux and Solaris, but my fellow workers who deal with the windoze crowd are already starting to feel the punch...

Message edited by Manic - please keep it clean....

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

01/30/2007 10:51:12 AM · #34

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:

It kind of goes without saying that a removable flash drive is going to have to be a good removal flash drive in order to assist with the enhancement of memory performance, something on the order of 3MB per second read operations. It is also self-evident that the memory manager cache is going to read small chunks of memory on the order of 4KB. This has nothing to do with performance (in fact it indicates good performance), and it has nothing to do with usability. Mixing up filesystem usability and memory management usability is of course going to make things look any way you like.

Edit to add that you're wrong about CF cards not working with ReadyBoost... any removable drive will work.

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 10:57:51.

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

01/30/2007 10:56:58 AM · #35

Originally posted by breadfan35:

And another one on YouTube.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM

wow that was a great one

yann

01/30/2007 11:14:38 AM · #36

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
I was reffering to readyboost and i know everything you've said lmao the cache files or fragments wontbe more then 4k. I tested 5 different USB drives 4 of them over 256 and not a single one of them were compatible with ready boost.

It kind of goes without saying that a removable flash drive is going to have to be a good removal flash drive in order to assist with the enhancement of memory performance, something on the order of 3MB per second read operations. It is also self-evident that the memory manager cache is going to read small chunks of memory on the order of 4KB. This has nothing to do with performance (in fact it indicates good performance), and it has nothing to do with usability. Mixing up filesystem usability and memory management usability is of course going to make things look any way you like.

Edit to add that you're wrong about CF cards not working with ReadyBoost... any removable drive will work.

Is there any test comparison using a good 4GB flash drive with readyboost and not using one?

I'd like to see the difference in performance.

digitalknight

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

01/30/2007 11:24:53 AM · #37

Originally posted by breadfan35:

And another one on YouTube.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM

I guess all the really good designers like the sun in CA - seems Bill and the boys don't really have any.

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

01/30/2007 12:05:52 PM · #38

Originally posted by yann:

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
I was reffering to readyboost and i know everything you've said lmao the cache files or fragments wontbe more then 4k. I tested 5 different USB drives 4 of them over 256 and not a single one of them were compatible with ready boost.

It kind of goes without saying that a removable flash drive is going to have to be a good removal flash drive in order to assist with the enhancement of memory performance, something on the order of 3MB per second read operations. It is also self-evident that the memory manager cache is going to read small chunks of memory on the order of 4KB. This has nothing to do with performance (in fact it indicates good performance), and it has nothing to do with usability. Mixing up filesystem usability and memory management usability is of course going to make things look any way you like.

Edit to add that you're wrong about CF cards not working with ReadyBoost... any removable drive will work.

Is there any test comparison using a good 4GB flash drive with readyboost and not using one?

I'd like to see the difference in performance.

Its not gonna fill a 4gb drive with cache itll be a waste. a 256 MB drive with the fastest avaliable read and write speeds will out do any drive larger then it with less of a read write speed.

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

01/30/2007 12:09:37 PM · #39

Originally posted by Louis:

Louis I already tried it in RC1. Sandisk SD cards through a USB Card reader, this case specifcly the 2 readers that HP has been using on most of their Pavilions for the past 3 years SD cards at 256 and 512 would both not work. They did generate a interface not supported error. The reader shows up as 4 different removable drives.

The fact that it does not identify itself as a removable usb storage device might be the problem. Thats not to say it couldnt be used it should be able to but any card reader that does not identify itself or uses the specific driver to operate for "USB Storage Device" might just be prevented from working. readyboost probly checks for the exact device type... unfortunatly!

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 12:11:24.

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 Macro EX DG OS for Canon EF

01/30/2007 12:23:00 PM · #40

Originally posted by yann:

Is there any test comparison using a good 4GB flash drive with readyboost and not using one?

I'd like to see the difference in performance.

Here's a ReadyBoost drive compatibility list. It's not exactly what you're looking for, but shows the read/write performance of some of the cards, so it may be of some use.

Giorgio

Canon EOS-70D

01/30/2007 12:30:56 PM · #41

My university made an academic alliance with Microsoft and I've got the Windows Vista Business for free with licence of course. More than that I can download any Microsoft product for free with a valid licence key. Is that sweeeeet or what!

01/30/2007 12:49:39 PM · #42

Originally posted by Giorgio:

It's a great deal for Microsoft, that's for sure.

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/30/2007 12:53:16 PM · #43

Originally posted by Bolti:

All the security, looks and stability really is an improvement from XP.

How have the security and stability improved over XP, in your experience ?

LN13

Canon EOS-60D

01/30/2007 01:03:08 PM · #44

At work, we just started our Win 2K to Win XP upgrade rollout three weeks ago. : - )

01/30/2007 01:37:23 PM · #45

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Giorgio:
My university made an academic alliance with Microsoft and I've got the Windows Vista Business for free with licence of course. More than that I can download any Microsoft product for free with a valid licence key. Is that sweeeeet or what!

It's a great deal for Microsoft, that's for sure.

Yeah, how dare a company make money off the backs of people using their products. :P

01/30/2007 02:06:56 PM · #46

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Bolti:

All the security, looks and stability really is an improvement from XP.

How have the security and stability improved over XP, in your experience ?

I'll answer from my experience, having used Vista beta2, RC1, and, since November, the final product.

Security is greatly improved over XP from a "standard user" perspective. Perhaps we can agree that a standard user is one that doesn't get under the hood of the OS, doesn't want to concern him/herself with having to actively apply "best practices" security, doesn't necessarily have any professional interest in which OS they use, and wants to be reasonably certain that they aren't going to hose their computer by doing simple tasks like running software, reading e-mail, and going to websites.

Vista takes a proactive role in preventing low-level access to the system. This is acheived by intercepting requests to access administrator-level system functions and software, such as "Computer Management" and the Windows installer, even if logged on as a member of the Administrator's group. The user must confirm that they initiated the request in order for it be carried out. If you are a Mac OSX user, you will have familiarity with this, but in my experience with OSX and Vista, Vista's implementation is more particular. I concede that I generally prefer Windows, and I concede that I'm more familiar with Windows over OSX (but I'm even more familiar with FreeBSD, on which OSX is built). This system-level access is also somewhat extended to Internet Explorer 7, akin to Explorer 6's implementation, but more robust.

Vista comes bundled with "Windows Defender", which blocks common malware such as that which may be delivered by malicious websites or e-mail.

From a common user's perspective, security is greatly enhanced. From the perspective of a knowledgeable professional looking for chinks in the armour, something's going to be found that will present as some kind of security risk. This will become more apparent as general deployment happens beginning today. From the perspective of someone wishing to denegrate the company for simply releasing Vista and requesting payment for it, I'm sure there are all kinds of security and non-security related issues to discuss.

In terms of stability, my experience at work has been outstanding, and at home has been good but not excellent. I have issues at home with spontaneous reboots perhaps every four to six weeks apparently originating with the disk controller. I suspect the motherboard's BIOS, though it could also be a dying hard drive.

There's a tradeoff between stability and being on the bleeding edge. I build my own computers and use the most recent chip/motherboard/memory/video components I can get my hands on (which is usually the day of release). None of the components are tested together, as they would be if buying a prebuilt system from Dell or Apple for example. I don't expect this kind of thing to be an issue for the vast majority of new computer users, and since I suspect which components are faulty in the one computer out of three that I use with Vista on it, I'm pretty sure the issue is not repeatable with regularity.

01/30/2007 02:37:55 PM · #47

I'm a bit annoyed that they didn't bundle a decent virus checker along with fixing all the various security design flaws. I'd happily ditch the extra processor I have chugging away running Norton if the OS would handle most of those features. I'd even be willing to pay the price of upgrade to not have to pay Norton's annual extortion/subscription fee.

Vista looks pretty but I think I'll wait on the driver updates and security bug fixes to arrive around SP1 before making the jump. Perhaps the VPN drivers will be available then to make it useful for work too.

01/30/2007 02:39:40 PM · #48

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Giorgio:
My university made an academic alliance with Microsoft and I've got the Windows Vista Business for free with licence of course. More than that I can download any Microsoft product for free with a valid licence key. Is that sweeeeet or what!

It's a great deal for Microsoft, that's for sure.

Yeah, how dare a company make money off the backs of people using their products. :P

I've got no problem with them making money for the effort it takes to write it. But I don't think they are giving it away to students out of some altruistic notion ;)