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Tamron AF 18-270mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD with Piezo

01/30/2007 01:04:33 AM · #276

noisemaker -

I'm looking forward to your future work on the next challenges!
You've got good shots in your portfolio, there will be another time.

r.

ace flyman

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/30/2007 01:05:46 AM · #277

Dustin, just checked you profile. No doubt you do great work. There is a reason for the laws here in the US, some really nutty people out there. Personally as a father and a old man. I would fill guilty looking at a under age girl nudeâ�¦..Sorry about the situation. Keep up the good work!

01/30/2007 01:07:18 AM · #278

Originally posted by ralfw:

noisemaker -

I'm looking forward to your future work on the next challenges!
You've got good shots in your portfolio, there will be another time.

r.

my Shallow DoF shot better make up for this

idnic

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/30/2007 01:07:55 AM · #279

Originally posted by noisemaker:

would a shot of her with her hands over her breast be fine and legal?

Oddly, I think (not sure though) that would have been legal.... but I'm no lawyer and US laws are bizarre and at-times stupid.

Greetmir

Nikon D60

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Nikon

01/30/2007 01:08:39 AM · #280

P.S. Just for the record ... what about those photos that show infant, toddler and pre-pubescent naked chests on a female subject? ... bah ... I am glad I moved from Canada to Europe. Above the waist nudity is SO common here in TV commercials that someone walking down the street topless here would hardly get a glance. tsk tsk tsk on these people that are so freaked out by the sight of a breast.

Edited to add: I DO understand the fact that many young women can be exploited and fully understand that people are trying to draw the line at the age of consent. Art versus exploitation.

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 01:11:40.

super-dave

Nikon D200

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

01/30/2007 01:09:26 AM · #281

as far as i'm aware, any nudity under 18 is illegal because the model is not legally able to give consent.

if she's close to 18, i don't really see the problem ... but it can create legal complications for DPC if someone complains about underage models nude on the site.

bummer about that mate!!

for future nudes, perhaps advertise at local colleges ... or stump up the cash for a paid model. or just date older women! :)

fotomann_forever

01/30/2007 01:11:52 AM · #282

Originally posted by noisemaker:

if i kept my mouth shut id probably still be in the running and everything would be as it was earlier

Sorry to hear about the DQ. You are a really good photographer. But your confession would not be the only source of info. It's becoming quite easy to find out info like this with social networking sites being so popular.

I wouldn't come down to hard on myself if I were you. Keep up the great work.

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 01:12:26.

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Nikon

01/30/2007 01:13:00 AM · #283

and thanks for all the comments guys(in this thread and on the shot itself)

Theres things i love about being this age. but sometimes i really do wish i were just a few years older, its a shame how degraded and pushed to the side youth can get.(not nessisarly in this incident) but just generally which why they made the laws. All the other immature people my age have to ruin everything. That is another reason people dont look at me too seriously at times when im out locally shooting. They think imjust a little rich kid that is snotty and stuck up. even though i had to work minimun wage all summer to get my camera and i work almost everyday just so i can get camera gear and keep doing what i love doing.
so all in all, age is just a number.

theres the last rant from me tonight!
i feel better now.

Greetmir

Nikon D60

01/30/2007 01:13:21 AM · #284

P.P.S. I did not see anyone freak about the baby picture being critiqued with his penis hanging out ... I know it is different ... but something to think about.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/30/2007 01:14:53 AM · #285

Originally posted by super-dave:

Jill Greenberg doesn't seem to have that legal problem (see her children photos.)

idnic

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/30/2007 01:14:55 AM · #286

Originally posted by Greetmir:

P.P.S. I did not see anyone freak about the baby picture being critiqued with his penis hanging out ... I know it is different ... but something to think about.

I don't think anyone has 'freaked' at any point.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

01/30/2007 01:15:18 AM · #287

Originally posted by super-dave:

well my girlfriend already is a year older, shes 18 in a few months.
and she would murder me if i did a nude shoot with another woman

Shecoya

Nikon D70s

01/30/2007 01:16:39 AM · #288

Originally posted by Greetmir:

Edited to add: I DO understand the fact that many young women can be exploited and fully understand that people are trying to draw the line at the age of consent. Art versus exploitation.

Was just going to comment when I saw your addition to the post. Thats exactly why those laws are important. For the little people who are exploited.. the debate is always where to draw the line .. what age is old enough.. I guess they just follow the old standard.. if you are old enough to vote.. you are old enough to consent.

I used to work with exploited youth.. it can be a harsh world..

I think Noisemaker created a quality image worthy of his talent.. but he will be able to create many more.. within the parameters of the law.. cant be that talented and not .. we'll see plenty more of this guy i'm sure ;)

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 01:17:50.

ralfw

Tamron AF 18-270mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD with Piezo

01/30/2007 01:18:34 AM · #289

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by ralfw:
noisemaker -

I'm looking forward to your future work on the next challenges!
You've got good shots in your portfolio, there will be another time.

r.

my Shallow DoF shot better make up for this

That's too funny! I feel the same way about my entry (but for other reasons - I didn't take a good shot!)

I've got high hopes for my shallow DOF. Good luck to you!

TCGuru

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/30/2007 01:19:02 AM · #290

Originally posted by Greetmir:

P.P.S. I did not see anyone freak about the baby picture being critiqued with his penis hanging out ... I know it is different ... but something to think about.

Different how? I believe that underage nudity applies to anyone under the age of 18. You cannot show genitalia of any person that falls under those guidelines. At least, you are not supposed to. There are some freaky people out there that "enjoy" that kind of thing and that is what the law is supposed to prevent.

Am I wrong here?

Jojo

eta: these are just disturbing...

Originally posted by yanko:

Jill Greenberg doesn't seem to have that legal problem (see her children photos.)

Message edited by author 2007-01-30 01:23:10.

fotomann_forever

01/30/2007 01:19:24 AM · #291

Hey noisemaker, I really want to say that you have a good head on your shoulders. You are keeping your cool better than a lot of adults would. I applaud you for that. You are a lot more mature than your years.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/30/2007 01:21:51 AM · #292

Originally posted by yanko:

Jill Greenberg doesn't seem to have that legal problem (see her children photos.)

You don't think she got permission from the parents?

Darkend_Sword

01/30/2007 01:22:16 AM · #293

Originally posted by noisemaker:

As a mother and a woman who was a mature teenager, I know what you mean. In just a few more years your nudes will be a rockin sorce of art. Hang in there, We as (the mature) are the exception to the rule , and are the ones who, unfortunately have to play by the rules laid out.

I have a teen daughter and am sure I would not want her, even artfully displayed on the web in her best. Because of the nutties out there. But when she is 18 she owns herself and I hope has learned how to manage herself, same said for my teen son.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

01/30/2007 01:22:39 AM · #294

Originally posted by TCGuru:

Originally posted by Greetmir:
P.P.S. I did not see anyone freak about the baby picture being critiqued with his penis hanging out ... I know it is different ... but something to think about.

Different how? I believe that underage nudity applies to anyone under the age of 18. You cannot show genitalia of any person that falls under those guidelines. At least, you are not supposed to. There are some freaky people out there that "enjoy" that kind of thing and that is what the law is supposed to prevent.

Am I wrong here?

Jojo

That's not *technically* correct. You cannot *focus* on the genitalia of underage subjects, but the law does not technically forbid genitalia being *in* a photo. Many famous and perfectly legal photographs, and photographers, have underage subjects in their photographs that show full body nudes or part-nudes that show genitalia. The key factor being that in them, there is no obvious, forced, or purposeful exhibition of said genitalia, or any sort of a sexual nature.

It's a common misconception.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/30/2007 01:24:03 AM · #295

Originally posted by noisemaker:

my Shallow DoF shot better make up for this

After looking at your portfolio, I can honestly say I'm delighted to hear you're in DoF because I'm in table shot. ;)

jbsmithana

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

01/30/2007 01:27:00 AM · #296

Bad luck Dustin, sorry. It was a great photo IMHO. I had given it a nine (9) and thought is was tastefully done and had great maturity. Her looking up into, what?, left the viewer wondering her circumstance.

Great job and bring that talent back for next years nude challenge and all the ones in between.