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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/09/2007 10:22:32 AM · #51

Originally posted by Telehubbie:

Originally posted by ignite:
I was just thinking, would pink Alien Bees make me gay? ;-)

Only if a guy "friend" bought them for you as an anniversary present. :-)

As long as I get 2 AB-800s with the wireless setup I don't mind ;-)

Telehubbie

Canon EOS-40D

01/09/2007 10:44:31 AM · #52

Originally posted by ignite:

As long as I get 2 AB-800s with the wireless setup I don't mind ;-)

Wow, I don't even have a comeback for that one.

...Man, how about them Gators last night? What a game!

candlerain

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/09/2007 11:04:48 AM · #53

Originally posted by Gordon:

If someone for example showed up to shoot a wedding with a Canon Rebel, black or silver, and it was their only camera, I wouldn't have very high opinion of their professionalism.

This is a comment that one would expect from someone owning a 1D. A Rebel XT is still light-years ahead (in quality) compared to most P&S and from experience, people DO NOT think any less of you (or your professionalism) if you show up with a Rebel. Actually I do weddings with 2 Rebel XT's. Does this make me look twice as much "unprofessional"? If we could all have 1D's we'd have 'em.

/rant off

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

01/09/2007 11:09:26 AM · #54

Originally posted by candlerain:

You totally mis-read what I said, but that's fine. No, if you have a back-up camera, I wouldn't think you looked unprofessional. I said that in the initial post. But if you only have one camera and that camera isn't the most reliable you can have, then you would not be professional in my eyes. (That's two separate points right there)

So if you turned up with a rebel and only one rebel and claimed to be a professional, then I'd think you were badly prepared, at best. There are plenty of threads of people who's rebel's Err99 or the shutter dies. They are designed to be less robust and less reliable than the higher end SLRs. Are you going to tell the bride 'oh sorry, my camera died, I don't have a back-up. Sorry this is a one off day in your life - anyone have a P&S I can borrow' - if you are ever putting yourself in that sort of situation, you aren't doing a professional job. A back-up camera is a step in the right direction. A more reliable pro-series body would be a great next step when it'll pay for itself.

I only have 1 1DII. I don't even claim to be a professional, nor would I, but it paid for itself in about a month. Though my comment would be equally valid if I just had a Mattel Barbie camera or a cellphone.

As I think was mentioned in this thread before, being professional is more than taking a pretty picture.

Message edited by author 2007-01-09 11:18:32.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

01/09/2007 11:40:11 AM · #55

karmat and I have tried our best to stop shooting weddings with our Rebels, but dang it, we're so good that people won't stop asking.

Dadgum. Maybe we should tell them that we only have silver cameras and they'll get the hint...

<=== is being greatly sarcastic about the "so good" part. We just happen to know people who are getting married...

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

01/09/2007 11:46:31 AM · #56

Originally posted by Gordon:

If someone for example showed up to shoot a wedding with a Canon Rebel, black or silver, and it was their only camera, I wouldn't have very high opinion of their professionalism.

Get real. How many couples looking for a wedding photog know the difference between a Rebel and a 1d? Furthermore, how many couples are going to ask a photog how many spare bodies do you have just in case? The answer to both is very few or none. This is your opinion based on your knowledge of equipment and practice not that of the general public. You might be disappointed to see a photog with only one body, but the general masses could care less as long as they get what they paid for.

Edit to clarify which quote.

Message edited by author 2007-01-09 12:01:49.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

01/09/2007 11:54:41 AM · #57

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

Originally posted by candlerain:

Originally posted by Gordon:
If someone for example showed up to shoot a wedding with a Canon Rebel, black or silver, and it was their only camera, I wouldn't have very high opinion of their professionalism.

This is a comment that one would expect from someone owning a 1D. A Rebel XT is still light-years ahead (in quality) compared to most P&S and from experience, people DO NOT think any less of you (or your professionalism) if you show up with a Rebel. Actually I do weddings with 2 Rebel XT's. Does this make me look twice as much "unprofessional"? If we could all have 1D's we'd have 'em.

/rant off

Get real. How many couples looking for a wedding photog know the difference between a Rebel and a 1d? Furthermore, how many couples are going to ask a photog how many spare bodies do you have just in case? The answer to both is very few or none. This is your opinion based on your knowledge of equipment and practice not that of the general public. You might be disappointed to see a photog with only one body, but the general masses could care less as long as they get what they paid for.

Mebbe you could clarify eggzactly who it is you're fussing at? The quotes versus your response are indeed a bit confusing. You upset at candlerain or Gordon?

Either way, don't get too upset :) It's just opinions; probably nobody's gonna live or die from it, regardless of who's right or wrong.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/09/2007 12:00:36 PM · #58

I think that gordon's point wasn't that you aren't a professional with a rebel, but you are duly underprepared if you show up at a wedding with only one camera. silver or black.

I've shot a couple of weddings with a rebel (silver). When I have to go at it alone (ugh), I take nard's camera (and flash unit, and batteries, and lenses) as a back up.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

01/09/2007 12:04:22 PM · #59

Originally posted by nards656:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

Originally posted by candlerain:

Originally posted by Gordon:
If someone for example showed up to shoot a wedding with a Canon Rebel, black or silver, and it was their only camera, I wouldn't have very high opinion of their professionalism.

This is a comment that one would expect from someone owning a 1D. A Rebel XT is still light-years ahead (in quality) compared to most P&S and from experience, people DO NOT think any less of you (or your professionalism) if you show up with a Rebel. Actually I do weddings with 2 Rebel XT's. Does this make me look twice as much "unprofessional"? If we could all have 1D's we'd have 'em.

/rant off

Get real. How many couples looking for a wedding photog know the difference between a Rebel and a 1d? Furthermore, how many couples are going to ask a photog how many spare bodies do you have just in case? The answer to both is very few or none. This is your opinion based on your knowledge of equipment and practice not that of the general public. You might be disappointed to see a photog with only one body, but the general masses could care less as long as they get what they paid for.

Mebbe you could clarify eggzactly who it is you're fussing at? The quotes versus your response are indeed a bit confusing. You upset at candlerain or Gordon?

Either way, don't get too upset :) It's just opinions; probably nobody's gonna live or die from it, regardless of who's right or wrong.

I'm not upset with anybody. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

01/09/2007 12:12:34 PM · #60

Originally posted by karmat:

I think that gordon's point wasn't that you aren't a professional with a rebel, but you are duly underprepared if you show up at a wedding with only one camera. silver or black.

Yup. Many couples who pay for a photographer may not check how prepared they are, but most couples will still drag you through the courts if you take their money and fail to perform professionally (which includes having contingency plans for equipment failure) Using the most reliable equipment you can afford is also part of being professional.

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

01/09/2007 12:13:41 PM · #61

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I completely agree that most couples have no clue as to how to pick a professional wedding photographer. But if you aren't looking to do professional work, then silver or black bodies, rebels or Nikons or anything shouldn't matter one jot. If you are just looking to shoot for yourself most any camera will be fantastic.

Message edited by author 2007-01-09 12:23:51.

piaffe529

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

01/09/2007 12:27:54 PM · #62

When I was looking for a camera, I wanted black. When I bought it the sales person suggested silver (both were in stock at the time). He told me black will absorb heat, silver reflects it. Made sense to me, so I opted for the silver since most of my work is outside. Never had a problem, never had someone not buy my images because of it.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

01/09/2007 12:32:43 PM · #63

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

Get real. How many couples looking for a wedding photog know the difference between a Rebel and a 1d? Furthermore, how many couples are going to ask a photog how many spare bodies do you have just in case?

I completely agree that most couples have no clue as to how to pick a professional wedding photographer.

However, if one sells oneself as a professional photographer, one should be aware of the risks involved and be prepared. "Professional" doesn't necessarily mean one takes better (or even good) pictures. It means that one takes pictures to earn income. Technically, it means that taking pictures is their "profession", which is defined by //www.m-w.com as "a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation" or "a principal calling, vocation, or employment".

My point is that there is an implicit trust on the part of brides and grooms that someone who takes pictures "for a living" is going to use top notch equipment. If they KNOW you do it "on the side", their expectations are indeed "less", but not much less. If you sell yourself as a pro, you need to use equipment that was INTENDED BY THE MANUFACTURER for "professional usage." It's different stuff, and I'm pretty certain that all of the modern cameras sold as "professional equipment" are black. It's that simple.

Serious professionals use professional equipment because their success depends on it. Professional equipment is black and sometimes white.

For someone with a low-end consumer or prosumer camera to try to sell themselves off as a serious professional is somewhat insulting to those who really are.

It is indeed difficult to run a limousine service if your only automobile is a Ford Pinto. No offense to Ford Pintos or Rebels. They're not comparable; I use extremes to try to make the point clear.

Quality of output means nothing in this situation.

Okay, I'm tired of serious discussion. I think I'm really ADD. Gotta go.

01/09/2007 12:43:35 PM · #64

I do agree that if you are saying "I am a pro wedding photog" then you need to be prepared and should have the decency to make sure that the wedding shoot does not get ^%$ed up. You not having a backup body or running out of memory or flash not working will look really bad and probably no one in that area will ever call you again for a job.. I don't care if you have an XT or a 35MP big-ass digital back. The people who are paying you should be happy with the work.

fotomann_forever

01/09/2007 01:05:42 PM · #65

I'd feel more comfy with two Rebels at a wedding than I would 1 5D/1D. I really don't care about the color (the snobbery) but my new XT is black :-)

FWIW, the Rebel is the only silver camera I ever owned...

Message edited by author 2007-01-09 13:08:16.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

01/09/2007 01:21:14 PM · #66

Somewhere lost in all of this 2 camera body conversation is the idea of having a second body with a different lens in place. You might have a fast prime 50 1.8 mounted for low light candids and a 70-300 for that tight shot you want from across the room. Yes/No?

I'm just speculating...I have noticed our local newspaper guy at events downtown carrying two camera bodies (Nikons) with one telephoto and one of shorter focal length. Made sense to me (and also made me a tad jealous!). :D

01/09/2007 01:22:15 PM · #67

Originally posted by glad2badad:

I'm just speculating...I have noticed our local newspaper guy at events downtown carrying two camera bodies (Nikons) with one telephoto and one of shorter focal length. Made sense to me (and also made me a tad jealous!). :D

That seems to be pretty much standard kit for many journalists.

fotomann_forever

01/09/2007 01:26:39 PM · #68

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm just speculating...I have noticed our local newspaper guy at events downtown carrying two camera bodies (Nikons) with one telephoto and one of shorter focal length. Made sense to me (and also made me a tad jealous!). :D

That seems to be pretty much standard kit for many journalists.

Yeah it is.

01/09/2007 02:48:04 PM · #69

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm just speculating...I have noticed our local newspaper guy at events downtown carrying two camera bodies (Nikons) with one telephoto and one of shorter focal length. Made sense to me (and also made me a tad jealous!). :D

That seems to be pretty much standard kit for many journalists.

Yeah it is.

Breaking news does not wait for a lens change ;-)

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

01/09/2007 02:50:12 PM · #70

Originally posted by ignite:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm just speculating...I have noticed our local newspaper guy at events downtown carrying two camera bodies (Nikons) with one telephoto and one of shorter focal length. Made sense to me (and also made me a tad jealous!). :D

That seems to be pretty much standard kit for many journalists.

Yeah it is.

Breaking news does not wait for a lens change ;-)

...nor do those special moments at a wedding?