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06/05/2003 06:55:42 PM · #26 |
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06/05/2003 06:57:43 PM · #27 |
Yup. I'm for the ability to selectively lighten or darken specific areas of a photo, as i suggested in the 'Editing Part 2' thread.
That way we get some more exposure control but don't do anything to mess with the physical reality of the photo (i.e. move pixels around).
BTW, there are about 5 ways at least to dodge and burn, so it shouldnt be about the specific methodology as much as the final result, which is 'selective lightening and darkening of specific parts of an image'.
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06/05/2003 06:58:45 PM · #28 |
| Oh, yeah, I forgot reasons: 1) it's a traditional technique in film, which seems to be one of the driving motivations for the changes - to recreate techniques that would be standard for film, and 2) it doesn't alter elements of the image, just levels of exposure (or, I assume in the digital realm, intensity or levels of colors) in specific sections of the image. |
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06/05/2003 07:02:18 PM · #29 |
Yes. (Good compromise idea, let's move on).
Message edited by author 2003-06-05 19:02:34.
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06/05/2003 07:08:33 PM · #30 |
Yes. I have nothing more to add.
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06/05/2003 07:14:10 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by uabresch:
PSP does have dodge and burn. Go to "Help" and type in "dodge" or "burn". |
What version are you using? I tried that and 7.02 isn't coming up with anything unless it is a brush plug in that I don't have, which is possible but it isn't bringing anything up through help for "dodge" or "burn" |
Use the retouch tool, its the white little finger pointing icon on the left tool bar, click on it and then right click on it. The sub menu pops up. Select tool options, In the bottom drop down menu select Dodge or Burn. Im using 7.02 also.
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06/05/2003 07:19:03 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by uabresch:
PSP does have dodge and burn. Go to "Help" and type in "dodge" or "burn". |
What version are you using? I tried that and 7.02 isn't coming up with anything unless it is a brush plug in that I don't have, which is possible but it isn't bringing anything up through help for "dodge" or "burn" |
Use the retouch tool, its the white little finger pointing icon on the left tool bar, click on it and then right click on it. The sub menu pops up. Select tool options, In the bottom drop down menu select Dodge or Burn. Im using 7.02 also. |
Ok I found it went to use it and got an error message...maybe I just need to reload my psp...but I still don't like the change...but i could be presuaded if masking and layering would be premitted also... |
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06/05/2003 07:45:22 PM · #33 |
I don't really see that it's necessary, that as a tool it adds such an overwhelming 'Yes!' to the toolbox available. We're making perfectly good shots now without it (and it will make it harder to self-judge the "Is my shot legal or not?" question).
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06/05/2003 07:48:43 PM · #34 |
to which 'WE' are 'we' referring here ?
Originally posted by eloise:
I don't really see that it's necessary, that as a tool it adds such an overwhelming 'Yes!' to the toolbox available. We're making perfectly good shots now without it (and it will make it harder to self-judge the "Is my shot legal or not?" question). |
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06/05/2003 07:50:43 PM · #35 |
i love punch
Message edited by author 2003-06-05 20:04:26. |
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06/05/2003 08:09:58 PM · #36 |
| Thumbs down here. I like the site the way it is, although I don't stand a chance at winning I also don't like being pushed into spending more time at my computer trying to learn something else. All this would benefit are those who are already winning so why take from someone who enjoys the site but would be intimidated by this? |
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06/05/2003 08:48:30 PM · #37 |
I think the rules we have are simple and understandable (as long as one doesn't try to overthink them) and adequate. For images the size and resolution we are able to post, I think the impact of dodging and burning is minimal. I can't recall any photograph I have judged that would have changed fundamental score or placement based on dodging and burning.
But, what ever...
Dennis
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06/05/2003 08:48:43 PM · #38 |
Current Vote:
YES - 17
NO - 3
2 votes excluded because a definitive answer was not given.
Message edited by author 2003-06-05 20:51:52. |
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06/05/2003 08:52:38 PM · #39 |
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06/05/2003 09:05:57 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by orussell:
Would the proponents of this new rule suggestion be so keen on pushing this if they were not already very proficient in using dodge and burn? Another way to be king of the heap maybe? Welcome to the 5s. |
I'm terrible at it. I want the opportunity within dpc to learn. Yes I can do it in other situations or for other web sites. But this is where I do the majority of my learning and improving type photography. Its the area were I tend to be pushed to do the really best I can. |
im a total newbie--i only just recently started trying it--this is my first real attempt. i tried it based on some comments i received during the challenge on this photo. not a drastic change and definitely not perfect by any means, but it would be nice to learn how to do it better.
those are my first attempts at black and white--i'll also post my second attempt---done last night in fact--of a color photo. burned version and original the reason this was ever done in the first place is that i was trying to salvage a shot i took in belize with a smudge on the lens. i think with a little dodging to lighten up some of the overly burned areas, it could turn out pretty cool. still learning tho! :)
Message edited by author 2003-06-05 21:28:20. |
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06/05/2003 09:29:31 PM · #41 |
Yes.
I've never tried it, but I can learn... or just keep submitting the way I have been, if I find it difficult or not fun. I don't think it'll dramatically change my score to continue to do what I've been doing.
And if you "powers that be" decide no, that's cool with me too. But I'll jump on in and say Yes to this -- why not? :) |
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06/05/2003 09:35:55 PM · #42 |
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06/05/2003 09:44:23 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Would the proponents of this new rule suggestion be so keen on pushing this if they were not already very proficient in using dodge and burn? Another way to be king of the heap maybe? Welcome to the 5s. |
I for one ahve never used dodge and burn, and I am not even completely sure what it is, but i have seen it used very effectively, and this whole thing has encouraged me to learn how. King of the heap? not me.
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06/05/2003 09:48:32 PM · #44 |
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06/05/2003 09:54:51 PM · #45 |
| I want to improve my skills on dodge and burn, I'm saying yes. |
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06/05/2003 10:02:35 PM · #46 |
Yes, allow dodge and burn tools
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06/05/2003 10:10:47 PM · #47 |
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06/05/2003 10:25:37 PM · #48 |
| Yes. I like the idea also. :) |
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06/05/2003 10:37:58 PM · #49 |
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06/05/2003 10:46:08 PM · #50 |
yes to D/B. I agree with the notion that since it can be done in the darkroom we can do it here. it can help a good photo become great, but it has to start out good...it's not magic. I don't think it discrimiates against those who can't (or won't) learn this tool. For those who choose to learn, it can only improve their photography...isn't that why we're here? to learn?
Personally I came for the prize money for winning the contest. oh wait...there is no prize money.
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