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12/28/2006 10:32:22 PM · #76 |
| Different sects of Islam -- not to mention various national cultures -- have very different rules about both depiction of the human form, the Prophet, or how women dress/behave, even as there's no "Christian" consensus on these issues either (those Protestants were certainly protesting something) ... |
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12/28/2006 11:31:01 PM · #77 |
I find the controversy interesting. I've stated before that I grew up with an art major in our house. She spent hours upon hours drawing nudes in life drawing classes at the Univ. of Texas, so I never thought of it as erotic or nasty. I find the play of light and shadow on the human form one of the most beautiful displays ever.
The only issue I have is that although I'm married, my body is MY body, not my husband's. |
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12/28/2006 11:41:48 PM · #78 |
Hmmmmm.....
Seems to me that:
(A) Those persons who might be offended by nudity shouldn't have seen Kelly's pics anyway, if they have 'hide adult images' (or whatever) turned on.
(B) If you ARE offended by Kelly's pics, why did you click to view an image that you were warned about to begin with?
(C) It seems to me that the person spouting off about 'some people have no respect' may want to be a little more introspective before making such statements (am I the only one who noticed the hypocrisy?)
(D) Karmat has done a beautiful job of stating her beliefs in a concise, yet nonjudicial manner <<<>>> (((THANK YOU)))
(E) I have no problem with nudity whatsoever, I do understand asking to place tags on adult material (nudity, snuff, whatever) - just tag the whole damn thread & be done with it.... I happen to enjoy most of it, and totally understand the difference between wanting to cry at the beauty of an innocent child, and appreciating the form of an adult person - male or female.
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for listening. I'm happy to field questions publicly...
ETA - this made more sense before Kelly removed her pics, but I think the ideas are still relevant to all threads in general
Message edited by author 2006-12-29 12:48:58. |
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12/28/2006 11:43:11 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
(C) It seems to me that the person spouting off about 'some people have no respect' may want to be a little more introspective before making such statements (am I the only one who noticed the hypocrisy?) |
No. See above. |
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12/28/2006 11:47:46 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
If karmat feels offended or violated at my post I will be happy to apologize and edit my post without hesitation. |
I wasn't offended or violated in any way, but I did think it a bit odd to post three pictures, two of which I assume are nudes, in a thread about why someone doesn't do nude photography. I dunno, it's kinda like posting violent pictures in a thread about why someone doesn't like violence.
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1. I'm not Muslim. :)
2. littlegett -- The behavior you describe amuses and irritates me. It reminds me of people that just *have* to touch a wall that has a "wet paint" sign on it. I dunno. some people.
3. spazmo -- I believe that if you will reread my original post, while I did use the word sacred, it was not in such a way as to say that the human body was sacred and should never be depicted in art. What I actually said (using the word sacred) was
Originally posted by me:
When I view a nude, I feel like I am encroaching on sacred ground and trespassing somewhere that I don't deserve to be. |
I can see how that can be extrapolated to what you were talking about in one of your previous posts, so I will elaborate a bit. The body itself is not sacred. Special, yes, but not sacred. I was basically referring to how I feel that I am imposing on someone (even if it is consensual) when I really have no right to. Does that make any sense, or did I just muddy the waters more?
4. rossbilly -- two of them are "hidden due to content. the third is not
5. jutilda -- I understand completely about the "my body" thing. No one is asking you to surrender that. :) At least I'm not.
Finally, please note that this thread is not about my offense at nudity (I don't think I have once said I was offended at it), or its place on dpc. Being an international "art" website, I would be surprised if nudity was not represented. I simply wanted to offer a perspective of why at least one (maybe two,  nards656 might agree with me, he hasn't told me yet :/ ) person doesn't shoot, pose, or voluntarily peruse nudity.
Thanks for keeping things relatively civil in the discussion. It could easily go awry and I would hate to lock my own thread. :)
Message edited by author 2006-12-29 00:26:52. |
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12/28/2006 11:54:58 PM · #81 |
I checked all three photos, they are all in the nude gallery. Not sure why they are popping up without the warning.
Assuming: Violence = Wrongdoing/Evil
Nudity = Wrongdoing/Evil
Message edited by author 2006-12-29 00:00:30. |
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12/28/2006 11:56:08 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by karmat:
3. spazmo -- I believe that if you will reread my original post, while I did use the word sacred, it was not in such a way as to say that the human body was sacred and should never be depicted in art. What I actually said (using the word sacred) was
Originally posted by me:
When I view a nude, I feel like I am encroaching on sacred ground and trespassing somewhere that I don't deserve to be. |
I can see how that can be extrapolated to what you were talking about in one of your previous posts, so I will elaborate a bit. The body itself is not sacred. Special, yes, but not sacred. I was basically referring to how I feel that I am imposing on someone (even if it is consensual) when I really have no right to. Does that make any sense, or did I just muddy the waters more?
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OK, I see your point.
Please don't take my posts the wrong way, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs on you or otherwise hector you. I just want to gain understanding of your point of view, a point of view that is quite different from my own.
If you feel that you are tresspassing when looking at a nude subject, does that mean you also feel that the subject cannot really give you the consent to view that image?
Message edited by author 2006-12-29 00:15:44. |
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12/28/2006 11:58:10 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
NM |
New Mexico?
Nearly Mental?
Oh wait... Nude Models :-)
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12/28/2006 11:58:26 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
I checked all three photos, they are all in the nude gallery. Not sure why they are popping up without the warning. |
it is indeed. for now, i've "flagged" the post, so if it has the adult content warning on it, that is why. |
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12/29/2006 12:03:13 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by karmat:
4. rossbilly -- two of them are "hidden due to content. the third is not |
...my apologies for assuming.
To be honest, the image of Kelly's daughter (who is a bright, thoughtful, sweet little girl) only ever made me wonder what could have happened to make her so sad / upset. Her not wearing clothes didn't even register, as she is simply a young child & I have several daughters myself...interesting the things one gets used to, i guess.
I do have a brother who had a really difficult time the first time he had to help toddler step-daughters bathe, but quickly realized they are in no way sexual beings (it is usually only some disturbed adult who makes such a leap of logic, to assert sexuality onto a child, when there is none present).
Regardless, thank you Karmat, for pointing out my error AND for presenting your information in such a respectful manner (yes, you DO have my respect) |
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12/29/2006 12:15:14 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
I do have a brother who had a really difficult time the first time he had to help toddler step-daughters bathe, but quickly realized they are in no way sexual beings |
In Sept of '04, my grandmother became sick with cancer and was sent home to die. With only a tiny bit of help from hospice nurses, I had to take care of her, since I was the only one that did not have a "regular" job.
The first time I had to clean my granny was VERY awkward to me. The first time, she had a bowel movement in bed, I sat there for 3 hours trying to decide what to do or how I could get out of it. I must have smoked 2 packs of cigs in that 3 hours. My mother is a nurse and she told me to just do it and get over it. So, here I am, with my naked granny giving her a bath in the nether-regions. That is something no one ever really thinks they would ever have to do and most can't even imagine it.
By the time she died, six months later, I was just as adept at the task as my mom who is a registered nurse. I could change a bed, clean a butt and give a suppository and not even think about it.
My point? It's amazing what life experience will do to change your views and attitudes.
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12/29/2006 12:31:35 AM · #87 |
| Good for you Leroy! Thanks for sharing. |
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12/29/2006 08:43:06 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Assuming: Violence = Wrongdoing/Evil
Nudity = Wrongdoing/Evil |
Are you serious?? Is she serious!?? |
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12/29/2006 09:16:17 AM · #89 |
I didn't think the two were a fair comparison, thats why I posted that equation.
This was in reference to karmat saying to post a violent photo after someone said they don't like violence is similar or the same as posting a nude pic after someone saying they don't like nudity. (which I am guilty of)
So I made the equation to illustrate. LOL
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12/29/2006 09:35:51 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
I didn't think the two were a fair comparison, thats why I posted that equation.
This was in reference to karmat saying to post a violent photo after someone said they don't like violence is similar or the same as posting a nude pic after someone saying they don't like nudity. (which I am guilty of)
So I made the equation to illustrate. LOL |
That's not at all what karmat was saying, good grief.
If I started a thread saying how much I despise photos of purple flowers, would it be "nice" to post all your photos of purple flowers in that thread?
The point was, you posted photos of a certain type in a thread that was established to explain why the Original Poster prefers not to view or make photos of that type. To say that nudity=violence=wrongdoing=sin is a total misapplication of her response.
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12/29/2006 11:27:18 AM · #91 |
I will re-cant my post so that everyone can return their happy lives. :)
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12/29/2006 02:05:46 PM · #92 |
Message edited by author 2007-01-04 00:37:00. |
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12/29/2006 02:17:42 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
I will re-cant my post so that everyone can return their happy lives. :) |
I've learned to not sweat the petty stuff and not to pet the sweaty stuff.
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12/29/2006 10:21:59 PM · #94 |
A total of 8 posts in this thread have been removed or edited. The individual posters have been, or will be, contacted as well:
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Further such exchanges will result in locking of this thread and/or warnings to the offending parties.
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Message edited by author 2006-12-29 22:27:07.
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12/29/2006 10:36:28 PM · #95 |
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12/30/2006 05:35:47 AM · #96 |
Yea, I feel the same way about the Sistine Chapel and other raunchy Renaissance "Art". The sistine chapel feels like it's more about gay sex or some sort of strange eodipal connection between father and son, mentor and student, perhaps derived from the resurgence of old Greek and Roman literature that found its way into the heads of Renaissance thinkers. I think the tiny penis of man makes the painting more about sex than art. And the two phallic fingers touching. Don't get me started.
Hopefully by now, you've caught the joke. How could something be more about sex than art? Is it porn? What if someone wanted to make a piece of art that explored sex. It's like saying, that photo is more about the flower than the art, or more about the sunsets than art. Art can be about anything we want, just because it offends your sensibilities doesn't mean it's not art. But that said, you have already said that you don't score them any lower, and you're tolerant. So you don't have to take any, meanwhile, I dont think anyones body could ever belong to me or vice versa, so I may take nude shots if the whim takes me. |
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