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06/03/2003 10:23:36 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I didn't even read this in the challenge description either :) I interpreted it the same way as the kitchen art challenge... make a photo that would look good hanging in an office environment :) |
So - a really good landscape shot, or perhaps wildlife...
Hmm, looking around here all the photographic art is mexican street scenes (about 30, 6ft square panels) and waterfalls/wildflower meadows...
The voting for this one could be intriguing
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06/03/2003 11:03:52 AM · #27 |
Yeah, office art varies a lot -- landscapes, wildlife, still life, basically ANYTHING could be office art.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I didn't even read this in the challenge description either :) I interpreted it the same way as the kitchen art challenge... make a photo that would look good hanging in an office environment :) |
So - a really good landscape shot, or perhaps wildlife...
Hmm, looking around here all the photographic art is mexican street scenes (about 30, 6ft square panels) and waterfalls/wildflower meadows...
The voting for this one could be intriguing |
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06/03/2003 11:13:42 AM · #28 |
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
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06/03/2003 11:48:57 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
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06/03/2003 12:00:05 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Robro:
..but no sunsets eh? |
Nonsense ... shoot a surf shop, beachside restaurant, lifeguard tower, or someone picking up bottles on the beach and it shouldn't be too hard to work in a sunset ... especially on this coast .... |
However this isn't "Your Occupation" it is "Office Art". A lifeguard tower, bottles on a beach, etc, aren't offices. I think the challenge is more about making art out of everyday office items, not taking a photo of wherever you work. |
A picture of a lifeguard on duty titled "Just Another Day At The Office" wouldn't work? I am assuming (stupidly) that the voters will cut just a little slack as to whether or not it represents the photographer's own "office" (which -- as has been pointed out -- many don't have).
I do kind see this as an indoor version of the Occupations challenge; just pointing out someone who wants a sunset can probably "work" one in ... the lifeguard could photo a surfboard or floatation ring or other "office equipment." Not that I'm actually planning anything like this .... |
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06/03/2003 12:52:56 PM · #31 |
Why so much cynicism and criticism about what is or what isn't an office? Can't we all just get along? My feeling about what I'm going to do for this challenge is just pick something sort of dynamic and fairly interesting, that MIGHT be from my office, and make my picture creative. I have no idea what that is at this point. Why quibble about what is or isn't an office. Who cares? I think if I were to pick something "out of the box", I would expect 1/2 the people wouldn't really care, 1/4 of the people would chastise me for not meeting the challenge, and 1/4 of the people would sing my praises simply because I was thinking differently, regardless of the picture quality. I don't think there is anyone to blame for my score suffering except the person that chose the subject...ME
My opinion is: be as creative as you like, just be ready to celebrate your success, or complain about in the forums as the week progresses. Being a voter, I get a little irked when folks complain about the voters not understanding a picture. It's like a teacher complaining about all her students getting poor grades.
And I agree with Setz's opinion on what this challenge is about, for the record, if anyone is keeping track... BoB |
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06/03/2003 01:00:24 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
A picture of a lifeguard on duty titled "Just Another Day At The Office" wouldn't work? I am assuming (stupidly) that the voters will cut just a little slack as to whether or not it represents the photographer's own "office" (which -- as has been pointed out -- many don't have). |
See, I view the challenge topics as something like the structure of a museum or gallery exhibition. If a curator goes through a collection looking for 'Office Art,' they're not going to seek out National Geographic-style shots of tropical sunsets. They're going to look for pictures of cubicles, office equipment (perhaps even discarded and weathered office equipment in junkyards), things that show interesting facets of our modern regimented life in offices and cube farms.
If you don't see why a curator would pick it for a focussed exhibition, why submit it to the challenge?
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06/03/2003 01:31:08 PM · #33 |
If you don't see why a curator would pick it for a focussed exhibition, why submit it to the challenge?
This is assuming that all curators think alike ..no?
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06/03/2003 01:32:00 PM · #34 |
eloise -- surely you don't claim to speak for all curators everywhere ... I think you can only speak with authority on how YOU would curate such an exhibition.
I think if all curators held themselves to such a strict standard of interpretation, then there would be no need to travel to see other great museums ... they'd all be pretty much the same.
But maybe it would be a good side "competetion" if everyone prepared a list of the ten entries from each challenge they would post as a gallery exhibition. |
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06/03/2003 01:44:27 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
eloise -- surely you don't claim to speak for all curators everywhere ... I think you can only speak with authority on how YOU would curate such an exhibition. |
But of course. :-> Nonetheless, it's a useful way of thinking about it - not 'Do I like this,' but, 'If I were being paid to create a group exhibition, would this fit?'
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think if all curators held themselves to such a strict standard of interpretation, then there would be no need to travel to see other great museums ... they'd all be pretty much the same. |
Of course not. I have to vote down photos on theme that are better, technically and aesthetically, than some I grade higher - simply because they DO fit. Art serves many, many purposes, not just one. If there were a severely finite supply of beautiful objects and images in the world, and it were agreed that 'a museum' should only include Pictures Of Sunsets, then yes, many sunset museums would be similar. But each museum has its own suite of interests, and its own collection of unique objects from which to choose.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
But maybe it would be a good side "competetion" if everyone prepared a list of the ten entries from each challenge they would post as a gallery exhibition. |
Huh. This might be a good thing for DCPrints, actualy - virtual exhibitions around themes (whether that's 'Blue,' 'Gorgeous Macro,' 'Things That Made Me Cry,' etc ...).
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06/03/2003 01:51:52 PM · #36 |
ummm all this is is kinda a revisitation to Kitchen Art ... just Office Art ... i would imaginge to help use create more Print - maybe stock type photography ..
have fun everyone .. isnt that what this is all about .. to learn and have fun doing so? :)
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06/03/2003 02:14:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by eloise:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
eloise -- surely you don't claim to speak for all curators everywhere ... I think you can only speak with authority on how YOU would curate such an exhibition. |
But of course. :-> Nonetheless, it's a useful way of thinking about it - not 'Do I like this,' but, 'If I were being paid to create a group exhibition, would this fit?'
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That's a very unproductive way to look at art. With that line of thinking, Manet's great Le déjeuner sur l'herbe would be scandalously hidden in some attic and the stupid painting that won the Salon that year (not scandalous even though it depicted a naked woman writhing in a great orgasm but titled something like the birth of a goddess and hence depicting an appropriate category of mythology) would still be the 'art' of choice.
I really don't care what Joe Voter or Joe Curator or Joe Art-Circle tells me i ought to like. If *I* like something, that's really all that matters to me. |
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06/03/2003 02:22:48 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office. Of course, then you run up against the "Literal photographic representations..." rule... |
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06/03/2003 02:23:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Journey:
That's a very unproductive way to look at art. |
We're not looking at just art, though. We're looking at a challenge with specific criteria. If you want to abandon the "fits the challenge" aspect then why bother to put your art on this site? If you're going to use a loose and opaque definition of the challenge then plenty of people will miss it and because this is a site where you're judged on meeting the challenge AS WELL as artistic merit you're going to do badly. The way things stand this is fine - you won't be chucked out for failing to meet the challenge, if you meet it in a creative way that people appreciate you won't be voted down. But if it's not possible, under the imaginary role of a curator, to see where the link between the picture and the challenge lies then you're not going to be collecting ribbons. |
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06/03/2003 02:24:42 PM · #40 |
I think the name "office art" is a misnomer if they wanted pepole to take photos WITHIN an office. Usually office art is about the photos, paintings, etc. that people use to DECORATE the offices with.
Also, if you're a photog, wouldn't your office be whatever you're doing your current shoot in? :-)
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06/03/2003 02:27:08 PM · #41 |
If you're inspired by the Kitchen, then your shots might be fruits and vegetables, etc. whatever.
And if you're inspired by the office, it could be whatever surrounds you, which can include photos of Mount Rainier (as I have one right in front of me :)) or whatever.
To me "office art" is what you use to decorate your office with. The challenge says to look at "Kitchen Arts", but that doesn't really say much.
Either way, I am going on vacation this Saturday, so does that mean my office is where my vacation spot is? :)
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
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06/03/2003 02:27:42 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office. Of course, then you run up against the "Literal photographic representations..." rule... |
Right, so if I take a picture of something similar to things that typically hang on the walls in most offices, that should be okay then. Its representative of something I see in offices every day, yet it wouldn't be a direct copy. Cool - so inspirational waterfalls, sunsets, cliffs etc are all back on... thanks for clearing it up. |
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06/03/2003 02:30:31 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office. Of course, then you run up against the "Literal photographic representations..." rule... |
Right, so if I take a picture of something similar to things that typically hang on the walls in most offices, that should be okay then. Its representative of something I see in offices every day, yet it wouldn't be a direct copy. Cool - so inspirational waterfalls, sunsets, cliffs etc are all back on... thanks for clearing it up. |
Plus kids and pets - I always have a picture of those things in my office. |
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06/03/2003 02:30:37 PM · #44 |
Office is different to Work Place.
A lifeguard's work place is the beach. The beach is not an office. An area or room in a building is an office. This is not a lifeguard's workplace.
The beach could be the equivilent to an office, but it is not one.
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06/03/2003 02:32:46 PM · #45 |
I think they're talking about taking a photo IN your office. That's not how I read from the challenge... i think it's just something that people would expect to see in an office for decoration purposes (landscape, waterfalls, dogs, cats, people's kids, still life, literally, ANYTHING....) Heck, I have a photo of Mount Rainier that I took last year in 20x30", and a Rocky Mountain National Park Trail Tracks poster i bought as well in my office :) I also have a Ansel Adams national park calendar as well (which are basically landscapes). I mean, office art = post card challenge, basically. It really can be anything to me.
I'll bet the voting would be interesting. If you take a photo of a landscape, you probably will get comments like "This is not in your office" Hope I can submit, i'll be in Colorado on Sunday night, and hopefully the hotel has internet access.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office. Of course, then you run up against the "Literal photographic representations..." rule... |
Right, so if I take a picture of something similar to things that typically hang on the walls in most offices, that should be okay then. Its representative of something I see in offices every day, yet it wouldn't be a direct copy. Cool - so inspirational waterfalls, sunsets, cliffs etc are all back on... thanks for clearing it up. |
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06/03/2003 02:35:18 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Journey:
I really don't care what Joe Voter or Joe Curator or Joe Art-Circle tells me i ought to like. If *I* like something, that's really all that matters to me. |
That's cool, just please don't complain if Joe Voter doesn't agree with your interpretation of the challenge...
(BTW, I don't know that you're one of the "complaining" types, just aiming this in the general direction of the overly-creative/overly-thin-skinned arts crowd...) |
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06/03/2003 02:35:35 PM · #47 |
| Now that the confusion has set in is this challenge things found in the office or is it things you would hang on the walls of your office? I mean seriously I would have a portrait of a little boy in my office so is that what I do things hanging on the walls of the office or things used in the office? |
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06/03/2003 02:35:36 PM · #48 |
It says take your camera and creative eye to the office, not "Take you camera wherever you want, and take a photo that would look nice on your office wall."
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06/03/2003 02:37:19 PM · #49 |
The challenge still says: "Take your camera to the office."
If you can take a picture of Mt Ranier from your office, then more power to you.
I think just as kitchen art was to be pictures of things in your kitchen (ie, the toaster that won), then by the same token, this is to be pictures of things in your office.
I personally will probably not vote down the "creative" interpretations of the challenge, because I rarely do, but it is what it is. |
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06/03/2003 02:43:12 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Kitchen art challenge: "Head to the Kitchen for inspiration."
Office art challenge: "Take your camera to the office..."
Take a shot of things in your office, not things to hang up in your office... |
but they are in my office.... :) |
So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office. Of course, then you run up against the "Literal photographic representations..." rule... |
Right, so if I take a picture of something similar to things that typically hang on the walls in most offices, that should be okay then. Its representative of something I see in offices every day, yet it wouldn't be a direct copy. Cool - so inspirational waterfalls, sunsets, cliffs etc are all back on... thanks for clearing it up. |
LOL! That's quite a selective reading. Let's follow the context:
- "Take your camera to the office..."
- but they are in my office....
- So it counts if you take a picture of the art that is in your office.
Uh, the context is, you gotta take your camera to the office! If you have physical "waterfalls, sunsets, cliffs etc" in your office, then by all means shoot away. BTW, I'd love to visit that office - must be impressive!
Now, if that description that Steve posted isn't correct, then that might change my opinion. But if that's the description, then that's the criteria and the boundries. But I guess everyone's afraid of boundries now-a-days... |
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