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12/20/2006 12:21:39 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It seems obvious to me that moving around or scaling physical elements to "improve the composition" violates the "spirit of the rules" (Basic and Advanced) and will deserve a DQ vote, regardless of any arguments for or against how it violates their letter. |
I guess that's the test really, as it seems that the 'obvious' varies for a lot of people in this thread. I don't see how it violates either the spirit or the letter of the rules.
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12/20/2006 12:35:51 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I don't see how it violates either the spirit or the letter of the rules. |
The editing rules are intended for touchup or enhancement of the capture. Rearranging the composition or scaling objects is beyond the scope of these rules (though apparently fine for Expert Editing). |
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12/20/2006 12:42:13 PM · #53 |
Ask the editors of National Geographic whether rearranging elements for a better composition is a good idea ...
Under Basic and Advanced, enhancing an existing composition is OK, creating a new composition is not. |
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12/20/2006 12:45:35 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The "major elements" and "typical viewer's description" language -- and all other versions which have been tried -- are attempts to narrow the inevitable gray area of subjectivity involved in this issue.
I'm sorry, those of you who want a black and white demarcation line of what you can and can't do -- it can't be (reasonably) done. If you want to submit a version of this rule which eliminates a subjective decision please, be my guest.
It seems obvious to me that moving around or scaling physical elements to "improve the composition" violates the "spirit of the rules" (Basic and Advanced) and will deserve a DQ vote, regardless of any arguments for or against how it violates their letter.
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As written:
You may not: use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.
Proposed revision:
You may not: use ANY editing tool to move, scale, or duplicate any element within your photograph.
You may not: use ANY editing tool to remove any element within your photograph if this would change a typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.
R.
Message edited by author 2006-12-20 12:55:13.
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12/20/2006 12:45:49 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Ask the editors of National Geographic whether rearranging elements for a better composition is a good idea ...
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That's a completely specious argument though. Advanced rules would never pass photo journalistic ethics. It doesn't help to cloud the issue with appeals to completely different standards.
Message edited by author 2006-12-20 12:46:21.
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12/20/2006 12:53:55 PM · #56 |
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12/20/2006 02:03:56 PM · #57 |
In summary, my original question asked "Is it legal to actually "move" an item within the photo?".
The following response from a member of Site Council seems to provide the most concrete answer; a challenge entry with an element moved would be grounds for a DQ.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... It seems obvious to me that moving around or scaling physical elements to "improve the composition" violates the "spirit of the rules" (Basic and Advanced) and will deserve a DQ vote, regardless of any arguments for or against how it violates their letter. |
Logical conclusion then is it's NOT legal (as long as the majority of SC voting at the time agree with the position taken by GeneralE). |
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12/20/2006 02:06:26 PM · #58 |
may I ask here too?
is it allowed to use canvas filter like on this photo:
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I wasn't DQed, but some commenters said I could be?
thank you!
Message edited by author 2006-12-20 14:06:43. |
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12/20/2006 02:06:38 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
... (as long as the majority of SC voting at the time agree with the position taken by GeneralE). |
Just to add to the confusion, on the whole that is not a very common occurence. : ) |
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12/20/2006 09:28:55 PM · #60 |
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12/20/2006 09:35:09 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
may I ask here too?
is it allowed to use canvas filter like on this photo:
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I wasn't DQed, but some commenters said I could be?
thank you! |
Yes, that's legal. Using a texture is legal in Advanced. There may be some uses that would fall afoul of "creating a feature" if they were applied to an object to significantly modify that object, rather than to act as a texture overlay on the photo. |
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12/20/2006 09:42:32 PM · #62 |
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12/20/2006 09:46:55 PM · #63 |
| In all cases these supports were virtually invisible, so the appearance of floating didn't change. |
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