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12/15/2006 06:33:55 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by Qart:
I'm really troubled by the view that some share regarding the 'digital art' look of some of the images and how they are voting them poorly or not at all.I do agree that if you know your bias and can't score a certain style fairly you should abstain from voting but I do think in this case you should abstain from voting on the challenge period as I feel that the results become skewed as a result of selective voting. The other problem I have is that the rules for the challenge were never a secret and definately allow for a much broader scope for artistic lisence in all forms. Knowing this, perhaps it's better to accept that some challenges are not for everybody and only those that 'like' this type of approach should involve themselves. I don't see the reasoning behind the complaints or the scoring patterns at all since participation is totally voluntary before and after the opening bell. |
I couldn't have said that better myself. If people are so against digital art, then just leave it. There is no reason to go in and express your frustrations and vote low on images you don't deem as purely photographic. Pet portraits don't really appeal to me much so I just left that challenge to sort itself out, there is no reason for me to go in there and vote them all low just because I don't like them.
I take part on many photography sites around the internet and every one of them has a thriving digital art category. Digital artists can post there amongst themselves, purists post there where they feel at home. No conflicts, no arguments. I find this petty type nagging here in DPC about the new rule set really annoying. There are and always will be differing opinions on this, but nothing will be solved by complaining about it all the time. Just stick to that what you like to do and what you like to see, and if you don't like digital art then just leave it. But please remember that there is a large number of us who do like digital art and this new rule set is something we welcome with open arms. |
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12/15/2006 06:40:18 PM · #127 |
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12/15/2006 06:42:14 PM · #128 |
Qart and Kiwiness.. I love you! :P
In the same channel... I just got a "1" vote from one of those "I dont like digital art so here`s what I think of it" voters... Thank you very much... |
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12/15/2006 06:46:43 PM · #129 |
Yup...I am with you Kiwiness! Like it or lump it...digital art is here to stay. If you don't like it...leave us alone and enjoy your area of photography...don't belittle us for something you don't believe in. We leave alone those areas we don't agree with...so why can't you!
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12/15/2006 06:47:08 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by Gaby_G:
Qart and Kiwiness.. I love you! :P
In the same channel... I just got a "1" vote from one of those "I dont like digital art so here`s what I think of it" voters... Thank you very much... |
Some people cannot it seems differentiate between their likes/dislikes and what is actually a good entry.
The rules allow a wide latitude for entries, but they seem to keep to a narrow interpretation.
Having said that my own entry wasnt what I would call expert editing didnt have time and am not an expert anyhow, but it doesnt mean I cannot enjoy looking at the entries of those who did that type of entry |
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12/15/2006 06:50:13 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by rayz1:
Some people cannot it seems differentiate between their likes/dislikes and what is actually a good entry. |
That's true. You don't have to like a style to appreciate it. Conversely just because you like that style doesn't mean you should rate it higher because of it.
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12/15/2006 07:14:45 PM · #132 |
This started voting yesterday? I thought it started today!! Lol. I was all ready to slap something together and complain about it all week :P.
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12/15/2006 07:19:32 PM · #133 |
I find this petty type nagging here in DPC about the new rule set really annoying.
Me too. |
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12/15/2006 07:25:54 PM · #134 |
Way to go man, I am so impressed and so happy for you.....
I know this challenge is going to have a lot of 7+ scores, but I love it when someone like you, gets into that range, as you deserve it mate.....
Way yo go Tim.....
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Votes: 94
Avg Vote: 7.2447
Comments: 20
Favorites: 3
Wish Lists: 1
This is what I had hoped for. I just may have to stop entering all together after this week. I am afraid I may have peaked. |
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12/15/2006 08:03:56 PM · #135 |
| Congrats everyone! Unfortunately, my score keep going down! :( |
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12/15/2006 08:14:12 PM · #136 |
I think I found a good way to summarize my feelings:
I'm a big believer in allowing voters to vote how they please - sure, it can have a few negative things but overally the positives far, far outweigh the negatives. So with the new editing... not every style of photography is going to appeal to every person. That's just the way it is. So if a voter does not like, say, composite images, an image that is obviously a composite is not going to score well with him. That makes sense, and for all the debating going on, it's going to happen that way. And personally, that's fine with me.
The only thing I would be concerned about is if a person votes down an image because it's not what he's used to seeing, or not what he thinks "DPC is about". DPC hasn't stopped being a photography site, nor has it stopped or decreased offering what we've been used to. |
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12/15/2006 08:42:36 PM · #137 |
Just got in from an overseas flight. Didn't see the results until about 115 votes.
Some pretty amazing stuff ntered in this challnge. Here's my numbers so far
Votes: 124
Views: 235
Avg Vote: 6.1694
Comments: 15
Favorites: 2
Usually that percentage of comments and 2 faves yield a higher score. Any 6+ is good, I just though this one would be a ribbon candidate.
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12/15/2006 08:48:58 PM · #138 |
I CANNOT BELIEVE I ONLY USED 640 PIX WIDTH! I FORGOT 720 WAS ALLOWED!!!
Votes: 136
Views: 264
Avg Vote: 6.6618
Comments: 13
Favorites: 2
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/15/06 08:46 pm
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12/15/2006 11:55:07 PM · #139 |
I have only edited my picture as pr advanced editing, no need for more, but I keep getting comments about how I have added some lines with pen tools etc and used other digital art. I sooo look forward to tell commenters that THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR REAL!
Haha!
Holding onto 5.8something quite steadily (not checking so often though), I assume this will be enough for a top 80% score (or bottom 20% if you like), but that is good enough for me ...
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12/16/2006 12:12:41 AM · #140 |
Originally posted by B74A:
I have only edited my picture as pr advanced editing, no need for more, but I keep getting comments about how I have added some lines with pen tools etc and used other digital art. I sooo look forward to tell commenters that THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR REAL!
Haha!
Holding onto 5.8something quite steadily (not checking so often though), I assume this will be enough for a top 80% score (or bottom 20% if you like), but that is good enough for me ... |
And herein lies part of the problem. People WILL get penalized because an EXPERT eye misreads editing steps which in their mind transformed an innocent image into the realm of digital art.
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12/16/2006 06:29:52 AM · #141 |
I've just voted on a few and then stopped in order to come here and see what people are saying. Whatever that is, it's not in one voice. I think the lattitude may be problem.
A picture with greyish silhouettes or diffuse highlights can be adjusted to a far more striking image with what this set of rules allows. (Here I'm thinking of making the silhouettes blacker).
HDR techniques can be used not only to bring detail out of the highlights but to bring out features within the silhouettes as well.
While there is something in the challenge description that asks us to keep the picture 'realistic' (my interpretation of the term 'photographic' as it's used in the challenge description), it does at the same time open for the inclusion of other elements than those present in the basic image.
I think that, without a definition of the term, it has to be said that we are in the realm of digital art in all of the above - erm - examples. So there's not a whole lot of point in complaining about digital art per se. What I find myself lacking is the means or the ability to make even judgements of such different techniques that the rule set enables. I find that I'm often second guessing the editing process.
I think maybe other HDR challenges should crop up from time to time, so that those who are using the technique don't feel thay have to compete (?!?) on an uneven field with e.g. Fancy Dan Sistine Chapel recreations. On the other hand, would it be possible to allow an editing tag or tags to be entered with the picture? (Number of original images, HDR duplications, edited selections - the things that are specifically enabled in the double-pluss-advanced-or-whatever-it-was-called ruleset?
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12/16/2006 07:56:10 AM · #142 |
Purples...Greens...Hot Pinks...Oranges...Exotic Blues...man, I wish I was hanging on the same groovy planets as all you guys are. Nothing like this where I'm from.
Message edited by author 2006-12-16 17:16:50. |
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12/16/2006 01:58:58 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Purples...Greens...Hot Pinks...Oranges...Exotic Blues...man, I wish I was hanging on the same planets as all you guys are. Nothing like this where I'm from. |
Personally, I'd rather the photographer tell me up front the photo isn't real rather than try and con me into thinking otherwise. For example, faking the "stop motion" in a stop motion challenge or faking a candid shot with actors, etc., etc.
Message edited by author 2006-12-16 13:59:24.
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12/16/2006 02:03:17 PM · #144 |
Since this IS a SCORES thread :-)
Votes: 149
Views: 381
Avg Vote: 6.3221
Comments: 25
Favorites: 0
Not as good as I'd hoped, but not as bad as it could be, considering my recent performance.
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12/16/2006 02:17:25 PM · #145 |
Very weird scoring pattern on this one.
From a low of 4.75 at the 20-some vote mark, to a high nearing 7 about the 100th vote, then watching it steadily dropping to 6.2 in the last 50 votes is a big *sigh* At least I got a fav on it - that's better than a 0.5 increase to me.
Message edited by author 2006-12-16 14:38:08. |
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12/16/2006 02:26:47 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Very weird scoring pattern on this one.
From a low of 4.75 to a high nearing 7, then watching it steadily dropping to 6.2 is a big *sigh* |
After the first 25-30 votes (had a 8.* then) I was sure I was gonna break 7... been a downhill struggle since then.
Message edited by author 2006-12-16 14:27:42.
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12/16/2006 02:32:11 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by BradP:
Very weird scoring pattern on this one.
From a low of 4.75 to a high nearing 7, then watching it steadily dropping to 6.2 is a big *sigh* |
After the first 25-30 votes (had a 8.* then) I was sure I was gonna break 7... been a downhill struggle since then. |
Find that hard to believe. One of the very best in my opinion but perhaps it's cause it dosn't look like a photograph... Whatever.
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12/16/2006 02:34:09 PM · #148 |
Mine's holding relatively steady, tending to climb slowly from its lowest point. I peaked at 28 votes, took a dive to my low point at 43 votes, been edging back upward ever since; two steps forward, one step back, and so it goes. We'll see where it winds up.
R.
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12/16/2006 02:37:56 PM · #149 |
I am not as high as I have been but still no complaints. Some great comments along with those that tell me my sky is not the main subject. I guess I read the challenge wrong. Oh wait - you say the sky is supposed to be a key element rather than the main subject? Go figure.
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12/16/2006 02:38:17 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Since this IS a SCORES thread :-)
Votes: 149
Views: 381
Avg Vote: 6.3221
Comments: 25
Favorites: 0
Not as good as I'd hoped, but not as bad as it could be, considering my recent performance. |
I really really wish I knew which is your photo :) |
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