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05/19/2003 12:38:05 PM · #26 |
I have about 3 B&W shots in my entire collection :-/ and have never studied photography or art, so hopefully this challenge will be a *big* learning experience for me. Just need the weather to improve so I can get out a shoot a lot.
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05/19/2003 01:00:53 PM · #27 |
Drew: Just keep up the good work! Unfortunately, there are always people who complain with every challenge - tough to please everybody. The fun thing of these challenges is that it forces you to think about shooting something that otherwise you might never have thought about. If nothing 'hits' you about a particular challenge, then just don't submit. That's not the end of the world, is it?
Those who find some of these challenges 'stupid and unshootable' perhaps should consider whether their own interpretation of the challenge is possibly very rigid and narrow. From this type of thinking also comes the type of comments that say something to the effect of 'this is nice but it does not meet the challenge EXACTLY therefore i vote it lower'. Exactly? The glass challenge, for instance, said that the submission should contain glass. It did not say 100% glass or lots of glass or whole glass or broken glass or glass being the one and only subject of the picture. It said just 'glass'.
Lots of pictures that have a wide range of values (Ansel Adams zone system), with a nice histogram, have a decent chance to look good in B&W as well. The subject matter or the mood of the picture may dictate whether it looks better in color or in B&W. Personally, i love B&W and very often i convert my shots to B&W if for no other reason than just to see how they look in that mode. |
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05/19/2003 01:22:36 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by boyte1:
Im thrilled with this challenge. One of my best scores ever here was a black and white of my husband. |
One of my best scores was a sepia tone...This might be the challenge I have been waiting for...I got so many ideas running through my head...now where to start????
Message edited by author 2003-05-19 13:24:04. |
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05/19/2003 01:40:11 PM · #29 |
When we had the first BW challenge a long time ago, I didn't know any better and thought you just shot a shot. Subject, etc. didn't matter. Boy was I wrong.
It is amazing how limiting (or challenging) BW/sepia/duotone is. Without the correct composition, and don't forget lighting, what you end up with is a boring muddy gray picture.
I like this challenge. For weeks, I have been trying to force my pictures to fit the challenges. Just yesterday, my husband and I were talking about how to get rid of that "forced" feeling. I decided that for the next few weeks, I was going to shoot what I wanted; if it fitted the challenge great!! If not, there's always next week. So, this is awesome for me because I love shooting bw/duotone shots, and now I have an "excuse" for doing a whole weeks worth!! :-) Drew, Langdon, you guys are my heroes!!!!
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05/19/2003 10:46:58 PM · #30 |
I went out today and took a bunch of BW and sepia tone pictures, not in colour to play around with on the computer later, but IN sepia and BW. I am quite disappointed in the results so far.
Three main things bother me about my BW/sepia picts: (1) features like sky and water ended up disappearing, (2) many pictures tend to look "shapeless" or "bland", (3) in others, the darks are too dark and the lights are too light.
Does anyone have any suggestions, recommendations, thoughts on camera settings and taking BW/sepia tone photos?
I think this is going to be a good challenge, or, at, least a good learning experience! |
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05/19/2003 10:58:27 PM · #31 |
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05/19/2003 11:07:50 PM · #32 |
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05/21/2003 06:43:45 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Those who find some of these challenges 'stupid and unshootable' perhaps should consider whether their own interpretation of the challenge is possibly very rigid and narrow. From this type of thinking also comes the type of comments that say something to the effect of 'this is nice but it does not meet the challenge EXACTLY therefore i vote it lower'. Exactly? The glass challenge, for instance, said that the submission should contain glass. It did not say 100% glass or lots of glass or whole glass or broken glass or glass being the one and only subject of the picture. It said just 'glass'.
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LOL! Fight one of the biggest whines on this sight, "I don't like/understand/agree with the latest challenge", with the other biggest whine of the site, "everybody's so narrow minded because they expect me to actually meet the challenge"! Now if someone will just post a complaint about a "voting conspiracy", we'll have hit the holy triumvirate in less than 40 posts! These forums are such a hoot!
Duotones should be fun. Something I haven't even tried yet. Thanks to all who posted links and helpfull info!
Message edited by author 2003-05-21 18:44:33. |
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05/21/2003 07:27:25 PM · #34 |
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SEPIA TRI-TONE?
B&W isn't dutones. B&W is just that... usually duotone is reserved for photographs with TWO different color chemicals used for printing with B&W negatives. I thought Sepia was three.... |
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05/21/2003 07:28:29 PM · #35 |
Usually for film people apply a RED or a YELLOW filter (simliar thing can be done with Channel mixer) for B&W photos, then nearly anything you're used to photographing can be interesting.
Originally posted by karmat:
When we had the first BW challenge a long time ago, I didn't know any better and thought you just shot a shot. Subject, etc. didn't matter. Boy was I wrong.
It is amazing how limiting (or challenging) BW/sepia/duotone is. Without the correct composition, and don't forget lighting, what you end up with is a boring muddy gray picture.
I like this challenge. For weeks, I have been trying to force my pictures to fit the challenges. Just yesterday, my husband and I were talking about how to get rid of that "forced" feeling. I decided that for the next few weeks, I was going to shoot what I wanted; if it fitted the challenge great!! If not, there's always next week. So, this is awesome for me because I love shooting bw/duotone shots, and now I have an "excuse" for doing a whole weeks worth!! :-) Drew, Langdon, you guys are my heroes!!!! |
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05/21/2003 07:37:54 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by paganini:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SEPIA TRI-TONE?
B&W isn't dutones. B&W is just that... usually duotone is reserved for photographs with TWO different color chemicals used for printing with B&W negatives. I thought Sepia was three.... |
The number of tones generally seems to exclude the color of the underlying matrix (usually white), since a true "monochrome" would consist of a solid patch of the specified color, there being nothing for it to contrast with. You can't "Posterize" an image to one level...
Duotnes are printed (like in a book) with two inks onto a (usually contrasting) paper, tri-tones with three, etc.
I'm pretty sure the look is achieved in photographic prints by having two separate actions, the darkening of silver compounds which have been exposed to light (making black specks) and the application of a toner to tint the unexposed (white) part of the paper. But that's only from what I've read.
My image Golden Gate is a Tri-tone using Black, Cyan, and Yellow. |
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05/21/2003 07:39:09 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by paganini:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SEPIA TRI-TONE?
B&W isn't dutones. B&W is just that... usually duotone is reserved for photographs with TWO different color chemicals used for printing with B&W negatives. I thought Sepia was three.... |
Don't think so. Sepia is a single colour tone pass done on a partially bleached print. You can do it multiple times and build up a tritoned or quadtoned print, but it is only a single additional toning step, so black and sepia are the only colours or tones, hence a duotone.
Steps are basically:
wash the completed black and white print.
Soak in bleach until the silver image is converted from its metallic state.
Rinse the bleached print in water.
Tone the print in sepia toning solution.
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05/22/2003 06:21:46 PM · #38 |
What color do you use in PS to get to this? At least when I tried it, I almost certainly need to use 3 colors to get to the "sepia" look from film. Perhaps the bleaching process changes the original print to two colors already?
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by paganini:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SEPIA TRI-TONE?
B&W isn't dutones. B&W is just that... usually duotone is reserved for photographs with TWO different color chemicals used for printing with B&W negatives. I thought Sepia was three.... |
Don't think so. Sepia is a single colour tone pass done on a partially bleached print. You can do it multiple times and build up a tritoned or quadtoned print, but it is only a single additional toning step, so black and sepia are the only colours or tones, hence a duotone.
Steps are basically:
wash the completed black and white print.
Soak in bleach until the silver image is converted from its metallic state.
Rinse the bleached print in water.
Tone the print in sepia toning solution. |
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05/22/2003 06:40:54 PM · #39 |
there is always someone who doesn't like the challenges set, my suggestion apart from the members challenge, and the open challenge a third one should be set.
every week it could be "do what you like" challenge, it's self explanatory, and this could be where those entrants who always manage to do their cat/dog/child picture could enter, and of course the whingers.
sorry for the heavy sarcasm, but it is not compulsory to enter every challenge. |
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05/22/2003 06:51:22 PM · #40 |
[quote=aurora]there is always someone who doesn't like the challenges set, my suggestion apart from the members challenge, and the open challenge a third one should be set.
every week it could be "do what you like" challenge, it's self explanatory, quote]
I'd love to see more open challenges I have been waiting for the right one now for 3 weeks to show off a cute little litter of kittens. |
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05/22/2003 07:37:51 PM · #41 |
| The kittens would fit "Home Sweet Home" if they were mine! |
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05/22/2003 08:24:58 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by autool:
The kittens would fit "Home Sweet Home" if they were mine! |
LOL I was thinking the same thing! |
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