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11/14/2006 12:52:59 PM · #26 |
Well, I don't have any ribbons, but I don't want a special challenge for non-ribbon winners, just as much as I don't want any special challenges for ribbon-winners.
Speak for yourself. Neither of them are on *my* favourite list, nor on my statistical favourite list, and I quite disagree with your opinion of their images. |
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11/14/2006 01:00:19 PM · #27 |
So far I haven't seen a case where only a handful of people get ribbons on every challenge. The competition at the top end seems pretty good. If we eliminate those that have already ribboned then the people who are going to win would be those who would eventually get a ribbon anyways - they would just need time to make their submission just a bit better. I honestly don't see the value in this.
On the flip side, I have seen the Master's Challenge (two ribbons to qualify?) and it was great. Seeing some of the best this site has to offer going toe to toe is a great idea. Having an annual competition of this nature would be cool. |
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11/14/2006 01:09:08 PM · #28 |
I don't want a "non-ribbon winner" challenge. When I earn my ribbon, I want the world to to know that I have conquered the legendary  Larus, Joey Lawrence and kiwiness!
:-)
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11/14/2006 01:13:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
On the flip side, I have seen the Master's Challenge (two ribbons to qualify?) and it was great. Seeing some of the best this site has to offer going toe to toe is a great idea. Having an annual competition of this nature would be cool. |
This has been discussed before, and I think that this so-called Master's Challenge makes even less sense than a challenge for non-winners of ribbons, since the "masters" compete against the other "masters" in *any* challenge, anyways.
I am saying "so-called" because I disagree that the quality of one's work can be measured by the number of ribbons, *especially* on this site. Most of the images I enjoy in any challenge do *not* appear in the top ten. |
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11/14/2006 01:36:16 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by Citadel:
On the flip side, I have seen the Master's Challenge (two ribbons to qualify?) and it was great. Seeing some of the best this site has to offer going toe to toe is a great idea. Having an annual competition of this nature would be cool. |
This has been discussed before, and I think that this so-called Master's Challenge makes even less sense than a challenge for non-winners of ribbons, since the "masters" compete against the other "masters" in *any* challenge, anyways.
I am saying "so-called" because I disagree that the quality of one's work can be measured by the number of ribbons, *especially* on this site. Most of the images I enjoy in any challenge do *not* appear in the top ten. |
The hope was I think that the ribbon winners challenge would allow people to maybe stretch their styles a bit further than normal, rather than just aiming for the most popular approaches. I think that was born out in the challenge topic too (impressionism)
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11/14/2006 01:39:17 PM · #31 |
It would be great if there were some way to highlight some of the up-and-coming talent that now gets overlooked in the sheer volume, but I don't agree that this is the way.
I've been fortunate enough to win one ribbon (and know another's not likely soon) and when I did, it was with the knowledge that I was among the best of the best. If it had been a non-ribboner's challenge it would always feel like a consolation prize; yes, I ribboned, but it wasn't a "real" ribbon. Before that, I think I would have said, "I'll take any ribbon I can get!"
Yes, ribbons do make a HUGE difference to portfolio views, but I don't think that's really helped make me a better photographer. In some cases it may even do the opposite. For those of us who have a LOT to learn yet, it may actually decrease the amount of helpful comments and tips, as some assume that we must already know, if we're good enough to ribbon.
I think we can better serve those not yet ready for top spot by searching them out, encouraging them, and teaching them, so that when they do reach that coveted ribbon they have the satisfaction of knowing that it's well-earned.
And those same (myself included) can help themselves by being active, posting shots for advice, offering comments on others' shots, and by studying and learning. This site has so much to offer that if we take advantage of it, most of us could eventually ribbon against anyone here, and THAT is when that little icon in your portfolio has real meaning. :)
(eta paragraphs... sowwy!)
Message edited by author 2006-11-14 13:40:35. |
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11/14/2006 01:46:00 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
We already HAD such a challenge. Frankly, it seemed like an "everyone is special" challenge for the perennial bridesmaids. Once you get past the excellent first place winner the highest score was a 6.5, so maybe all it did was remove the high end (and many of the people who entered compelling images have since ribboned in other challenges anyway). |
Gee, thanks, scalvert. This did wonders for my already deflated ego. ;-) (...I've been trying to shake that albotross for months :-(
Message edited by author 2006-11-14 13:47:30. |
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11/14/2006 02:38:07 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by mk:
So basically, you want a ribbon so that you're popular and people will like you? |
I have 2 ribbons. I'm not popular and no one likes me.
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11/14/2006 02:43:05 PM · #34 |
Just so I'm clear...this thread is NOT about beating horses????
Just figured I would have to come up with something creative for the challenge ;-)
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11/14/2006 02:45:17 PM · #35 |
| I'd like to see another commenters challenge. |
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11/14/2006 03:46:11 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I have 2 ribbons. I'm not popular and no one likes me. |
I'd like you more if you stopped getting high scores with the 24-105L... ;P
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11/14/2006 03:54:45 PM · #37 |
I'm liked and don't have ribbons...Of couse there has to be one coming soon... doesn't there?
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11/14/2006 03:59:14 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
I'm liked and don't have ribbons...Of couse there has to be one coming soon... doesn't there? |
Liked or .... FEARED!?!?!?!
Just teasing, OK. I'm running away now. |
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11/14/2006 04:00:44 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
I'm liked and don't have ribbons...Of couse there has to be one coming soon... doesn't there? |
Liked or .... FEARED!?!?!?!
Just teasing, OK. I'm running away now. |
WUMUAHAHAHAHHAHA *Chases with a pitchfork*!!! lol
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11/14/2006 04:07:06 PM · #40 |
I don't like the idea of a challenge for non-ribbon winners. It's like a competition for second class citizens, or you missed winning the lottery, but we'll give a consolation prize.
I'll never win a ribbon as long as I have a hole in my .... sock! But why worry, nobody recognises me, I kill threads. So I ain't famous, I'm infamous.
Let's just have proper challenges were the cream rise to the top and the dredges(me) sit at the bottom.
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11/14/2006 04:13:18 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
I don't like the idea of a challenge for non-ribbon winners. It's like a competition for second class citizens, or you missed winning the lottery, but we'll give a consolation prize. |
Just to clarify, that's not what I was getting at with the original post. I do understand that people feel that way, with good reason.
I do think this thread is helping me understand what I wanted to - why it might be bad to allow people who *don't* feel the way you feel to have the opportunity to participate in that type of challenge.
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11/14/2006 04:17:25 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
I don't like the idea of a challenge for non-ribbon winners. It's like a competition for second class citizens, or you missed winning the lottery, but we'll give a consolation prize. |
Just to clarify, that's not what I was getting at with the original post. I do understand that people feel that way, with good reason. |
I guess where I think you're coming from is that you wouldn't want to be a "second class citizen". But if you mean that you just totally object to that type of group even being created, then that would definitely answer my question.
Feel free to clarify - I don't mean to assume too much. |
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11/14/2006 04:20:18 PM · #43 |
What I dont like and Im sick of is the same people being on the front page yes they deserve the ribbons but can we see some new faces?
Im going to... run now *Bolts out of the thread*
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11/14/2006 04:22:16 PM · #44 |
I wouldn't mind if there was a non-ribbon challenge and I won. I'm one of the many "average joes" on this site. I don't have a bevy of hot models to take on shoots. I don't have make-up people. I don't have the creativity that many exhibit out here. I go out in the world, well San Diego at least, and try and capture the best image I can relating to the topic. My scores represent that.
Over the years I have come to grips with what DPC is and what it isn't. Most of the time I can't compete with these "professionals" (making the assumption that it's not terribly normal to have models and make-up people if you're not a pro) and other "very creative" people. They do help drive my ambitions upward however. Ribbons would be great but what I'm looking for now is just to try and score well. If I got a 6.3 and finished 236th then I'd be happy as pie.
Some entries I like personally and know they won't score well and I'm OK with that. I turned off my front page score sheet months ago. When the challenge ends, I get to see what the numbers were. If you look in my portfolio you'll see that all my top pictures have been in the last 6 months. So I'm improving and that's good. Finally broke 6 and was stoked.
I'll continue along my path and one day I might stumble upon the weeks top images and then it will be super special. Which kind of challenge it was in won't make a difference. In fact it might be better in a non ribbon because it means I'm on the top of the Average Joes!
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11/14/2006 04:23:43 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
I don't like the idea of a challenge for non-ribbon winners. It's like a competition for second class citizens, or you missed winning the lottery, but we'll give a consolation prize. |
Just to clarify, that's not what I was getting at with the original post. I do understand that people feel that way, with good reason. |
I guess where I think you're coming from is that you wouldn't want to be a "second class citizen". But if you mean that you just totally object to that type of group even being created, then that would definitely answer my question.
Feel free to clarify - I don't mean to assume too much. |
You are reading way too much into my answer. All I'm saying is we all enter a challenge, the one with the highest votes wins. Let's just leave it that way. I don't even qualify for 2nd class anyway, I'm a Mudlark, a bottom feeder. I can accept my place in this community and don't need any patronising challenges just to make me feel better with myself. I enter for fun, I have no delusions of fame and popularity. I just pay my dues each year and enter challenges.
Steve |
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11/14/2006 04:30:57 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
You are reading way too much into my answer. |
Alrighty. Thanks for the explanation.
I wanted to try to assume that you were answering the question that I posed so that is why I did think (or over-think, as some might see it) about what you said.
I knew that bringing up the topic would be "old news" (hence the thread title) but I was going somewhere specific, and didn't intend for it to be yet another debate about "I like this" vs "I don't like it".
edit: If people want to debate it like that then it's totally fine by me but I don't want it to be said that I completely started it ;-D
Message edited by author 2006-11-14 16:33:11. |
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11/14/2006 04:34:22 PM · #47 |
| I think the answer to your question (which you've probably already surmised at this point) is that there just isn't enough support for the idea, from those eligible or those not. You could probably round up a small group of people who wanted to participate but unfortunately, a small group of people in favor of something isn't generally reason for the site to implement it on a large-scale basis. |
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11/14/2006 04:36:38 PM · #48 |
Then again... not everyone is on at the same time not everyone reads forums and pacipitates in them...Im sure if you threw it up there there'd be entries I mean Im not fussed yeah whatever goes
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11/14/2006 04:37:25 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by mk:
I think the answer to your question (which you've probably already surmised at this point) is that there just isn't enough support for the idea, from those eligible or those not. |
Makes total sense to me!
Thanks everybody for the feedback and indulging my deceased-equine-related question. |
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11/14/2006 04:42:54 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by mk:
I think the answer to your question (which you've probably already surmised at this point) is that there just isn't enough support for the idea, from those eligible or those not. |
Makes total sense to me!
Thanks everybody for the feedback and indulging my deceased-equine-related question. |
Yep, klstover, you've gotta give up selling a deceased equine. (For those who need explanations...flogging a dead horse.)
It was a worthy question, but a real old nag.
Steve :) |
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