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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

11/02/2006 10:43:35 AM · #26

I like Ivo's rules better, but I'd add one thing... "Trolls will be burned at the stake." Hey Langdon, is it too late to change?

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

11/02/2006 10:50:30 AM · #27

Originally posted by scalvert:

I like Ivo's rules better, but I'd add one thing... "Trolls will be burned at the stake." Hey Langdon, is it too late to change?

Do ya really wanna spend the next 6 months defining "troll"?

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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/02/2006 10:51:41 AM · #28

Originally posted by KaDi:

Do ya really wanna spend the next 6 months defining "troll"?

6 months? Anyone who gives me less than a 9 is a troll. How easy can you get?

Ken

Canon EOS-7D

11/02/2006 11:09:54 AM · #29

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by SandyP:
Can you tell us what the key changes are ????????????

From a practical standpoint, what's allowed isn't all that different from the current rules. Among the key changes...

The Literal Artwork rules will be significantly relaxed. If the voters can TELL it's artwork, the entry will be legal and you'll be at the mercy of the voters.

The term "Major Elements" is completely gone. Instead, we'll focus on allowing touchup or removal of minor imperfections. You can use filters, but adding new features like motion blur or textures where none existed before isn't allowed.

It looks like there will still be a lot of judgement calls here. And bitching. Good luck and thanks for the info!

scarbrd

Leica M10

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

11/02/2006 11:13:00 AM · #30

Originally posted by scalvert:

You'll be allowed to remove sensor dust and hot pixels in Basic! Don't try to clone out anything else though. ;-)

Even if this were the only change I'd be happy! There have been a couple of occasions that the crop of an entry was driven by the placement of a dust spot. Drives me crazy and I clean the sensor before every session.

klstover

Panasonic DMC-FZ8

11/02/2006 11:28:29 AM · #31

Originally posted by scalvert:

The Literal Artwork rules will be significantly relaxed. If the voters can TELL it's artwork, the entry will be legal and you'll be at the mercy of the voters.

So I can totally see how this goes with the goal of increased clarity in the rules. But won't this get confusing in practice? Defining what is legal in terms that are subjective sort of makes me a little bit uneasy.

If the voters can tell it's artwork, then it's legal. If they can't tell it's artwork, aren't they going to think that it's just another photo of something, and think it's legal anyway?

I might be missing something here so explanations would be so appreciated :-)

edited to improve clarity

Message edited by author 2006-11-02 11:32:20.

11/02/2006 11:37:08 AM · #32

Originally posted by klstover:

But won't this get confusing in practice?

No, it's pretty easy. You'll see. ;-)

ShutterPug

Canon EOS-6D

11/02/2006 11:37:14 AM · #33

SC / Langdon: thanks for the heads up and for the hard work you all put into the rules revision. Not sure ab out the artwork one as I always felt that it helped the artwork owners copyright protections. Now, as an example, it seems as if you're saying it's ok for me to print a photo of another photogs work take a picture of that and use it as my entry. I would never do that myself, but can see where someone else may.

11/02/2006 11:42:22 AM · #34

Copyright violations are a breach of the Terms of Service (and, no, you still can't take a photo of a photo). Just wait for the rules. No need to debate what you haven't seen.

Message edited by author 2006-11-02 11:43:41.

smellyfish1002

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

11/02/2006 11:43:23 AM · #35

Originally posted by PhantomEWO:

From a very shady character who needed $5 I was able to get a copy ....
The biggest change is the prohibition and outlawing of any photos with cats ;)

...except for dead ones...

(just kidding, don't call PETA)

JD

Photologist

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

11/02/2006 11:49:11 AM · #36

Originally posted by scalvert:

allowing...removal of minor imperfections.

This is subjective. One photog's imperfection is another photog's major element.

Is lens flare considered an "imperfection"?

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/02/2006 11:55:54 AM · #37

I don't want to prejudge the rules, but already I am confused about adding textures where none existed. By the nature of pixel photography, there is always some texture (unless you paint with a solid color). You add texture by increasing contrast or using USM. Like I said, totally prejudgeing.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/02/2006 11:59:58 AM · #38

And it starts ... Cindi where's the popcorn?

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

11/02/2006 12:06:01 PM · #39

Scalvert just gave a brief overview. Y'all are arguing/judging something you haven't seen yet. Be patient. There may still be some bugs to work out (thus the month long trial period), but I think you will find that things are a lot less subjective and easier to live with.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

11/02/2006 12:06:17 PM · #40

It would be nice to have more time to review and learn them before Sunday night's member challenge.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

11/02/2006 12:07:46 PM · #41

There's not a lot to "learn." Basically, anything acceptable now is also acceptable under the new ones. We haven't majorly overhauled the content of the rules, mostly just their presentation.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/02/2006 12:09:53 PM · #42

If they release the rules early, people will get confused about which set of rules applies when.

and remember people, we want good karma, not bad karma!! bad karma can take out entire villages...

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

11/02/2006 12:11:46 PM · #43

Originally posted by Alienyst:

It would be nice to have more time to review and learn them before Sunday night's member challenge.

I'm unsure this is necessary. Will it actually change the way you take pictures in such a fashion you'd need advanced notice? I won't me. It only affects the way they are post processed and then probably in very minor ways.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

11/02/2006 12:14:38 PM · #44

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by Alienyst:
It would be nice to have more time to review and learn them before Sunday night's member challenge.

I'm unsure this is necessary. Will it actually change the way you take pictures in such a fashion you'd need advanced notice? I won't me. It only affects the way they are post processed and then probably in very minor ways.

no, but may change workflow steps. Especially in BASIC if you can now remove sensor dust.

11/02/2006 12:15:41 PM · #45

Originally posted by Alienyst:

It would be nice to have more time to review and learn them before Sunday night's member challenge.

Unless you're planning to shoot and enter immediately after the challenge is posted, you'll have all week to study the rules.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

11/02/2006 12:16:25 PM · #46

Not really. I need to double check, but the rules will apply to the challenges that start (re - submissions) the week of the 6th. Those in voting will be under the current set. So, you have all week to read/peruse/study/post process/ask before you submit under the new set.

Photologist

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

11/02/2006 12:17:40 PM · #47

I'm in favor of revealing the rules ahead of time.

Let's say it takes a day or two to digest the new rules (gathering explanations, etc). Some folks may wait to understand the rules better before composing their shots for an entry. In other words, photos are taken with challenge rules in mind (it would behoove everyone to do so).

Anyway, in this example, they would have only five days to shoot, not the full seven. Could be a disadvantage for some.