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 10/31/2006 10:21:19 AM · #26

10/31/2006 10:28:23 AM · #27
The mistake was to violate the TOS (which is cheating). If the apology is for that mistake then, accepted. However, call it what it is.
 10/31/2006 11:42:54 AM · #28
Man, are you all really upset about the wording he uses, the way it was said??? Or are you waiting for him to slit his wrists and fling himself off the highest parapet or what???
I guess I'd like to know exactly what you expect, so if I ever f-up in the future, or perhaps one of you do, I'll know what is expected, and who should I get to proof-read my apology before I submit it for your judgement and approval.
 10/31/2006 12:00:14 PM · #29
It's easy to get caught up in your team...looking at each others photos and then seeing them in the challenge and almost making yourself believe that theirs are truly one of the best...but if you hadn't seen them in the first place you might not even have given it a 5 or 6. People who show photos should just make it a strict rule not to vote on that photo during a challenge. As one of the WPL Leaders, I accept that apology and once you have served your suspension hope you come back...it's going to get better and better.
10/31/2006 12:01:49 PM · #30
only brin truly knows his intent and in my eyes that is what makes cheating different from breakign the rules. we all know that he broke the rules only he knows his intent. am i happy that this went on , hell no but it did and the punishment is handed out. harboring hate towards him will not make anything better just make your day or hour or however long you think about it worse. if you don't accept his appology then that is ofcourse your right but how can yelling at him make anything better anywhere? of course i'm sure now you can spew your venom my way.

BTW the way I am not in anyway condoning what was done jsut saying that we should just move on. Doesn't life have enough crap in it without getting so worked up over how someone worded thier appology? maybe it was hollow maybe english is not his first language but does it really matter?
 10/31/2006 12:27:12 PM · #31
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
only brin truly knows his intent and in my eyes that is what makes cheating different from breakign the rules. we all know that he broke the rules only he knows his intent. am i happy that this went on , hell no but it did and the punishment is handed out. harboring hate towards him will not make anything better just make your day or hour or however long you think about it worse. if you don't accept his appology then that is ofcourse your right but how can yelling at him make anything better anywhere? of course i'm sure now you can spew your venom my way.

BTW the way I am not in anyway condoning what was done jsut saying that we should just move on. Doesn't life have enough crap in it without getting so worked up over how someone worded thier appology? maybe it was hollow maybe english is not his first language but does it really matter?


Well said. I wonder when enough is enough already and we move on.
 10/31/2006 05:07:32 PM · #32
I want to thank you all that have accepted my apology, you have lighten up my day. Some won̢۪t accept my apology, I don̢۪t know why, maybe because of my bad English, maybe because I allow myself to have opinions and write them with my apology or maybe they think it isn̢۪t sincere on my behalf.

I have seen many times in my work as a pastor, esp when I work in some conflicts, for example between husband and wife, there are nearly in all cases two major elements that hinder reconciliation:
1. People aren̢۪t prepared to admit their mistakes and ask for forgiveness.
2. People have difficulties to forgive.
In fact I think these two factors are the main causes of all conflicts in the world, because there has always been and will always be people that will never admit mistakes and also people that will never forgive.

I can̢۪t change other people, but I can do what I have to do: Apologize. I can̢۪t do and won̢۪t do anything more, but I can assure you that I am sincere.

These are my last words about this matter.
10/31/2006 05:13:33 PM · #33
Brin, thank you. Apology accepted, I don't think you're a cheater, I hope you stay at DPC and enjoy the community.
10/31/2006 05:19:55 PM · #34
I agree with you, there is absolutely no reason to call anyone names including cheater etc etc. Let the SC's take care of it and nothing else should ever be said.

I would strongly suggest that all notices of DQ's, scandals, and judgements made by the SC's are just that ... a notice and then locked with no further discussion here at DPC. If ya'll want to go to a private chat and do it fine but stop the bad blood here on DPC for the entire photography world to see.

How is this site going to maintain a level of respectablility when with every chance members are tearing apart other members without any real knowledge why. Let the judges (SC's)take care of infractions and let's all get back to taking pictures as friends.

p.s. Yes I know many disagree and live to be heard especially when slamming others. Sometimes the best answer is silence. Remember the last time you risked someones life by speeding or running a red light. As it is written, let the first without sin throw the first stone ...
 10/31/2006 05:35:25 PM · #35
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
op the bad blood here on DPC for the entire photography world to see.

How is this site going to maintain a level of respectablility when with every chance members are tearing apart other members without any real knowledge why. Let the judges (SC's)take care of infractions and let's all get back to taking pictures as friends.



I supposed the same could be said about what happened. How is this site ever going to maintain a level of respectability when people break the rules/cheat and all it takes is a few words and everyone's sympathizing? I know this is just a game but, in my opinion, situations like this are making people think it's ok to do things as long as you throw an apology out there when you get caught. I think we as a community need to make people think twice before breaking the rules.

June

edit: typo

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 17:35:45.
 10/31/2006 06:28:57 PM · #36
Originally posted by Chiqui:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
op the bad blood here on DPC for the entire photography world to see.

How is this site going to maintain a level of respectablility when with every chance members are tearing apart other members without any real knowledge why. Let the judges (SC's)take care of infractions and let's all get back to taking pictures as friends.



I supposed the same could be said about what happened. How is this site ever going to maintain a level of respectability when people break the rules/cheat and all it takes is a few words and everyone's sympathizing? I know this is just a game but, in my opinion, situations like this are making people think it's ok to do things as long as you throw an apology out there when you get caught. I think we as a community need to make people think twice before breaking the rules.

June

edit: typo


I've read and reread this thread, and I don't see a single post which says or even suggests that Brin's actions are ok. I also don't see where anyone, including Brin himself, has suggested that he should get off scot-free because he apologized.

Forgiveness is about accepting that we are all human, and that we have all, at one point or another in our lives, done something that in retrospect we wish we hadn't -- perhaps we even knew it was wrong at the time.

We can hash this out in the forums all we like, but in the end, only time will prove (or disprove) the sincerity of Brin's apology. In the meantime, I would suggest that everyone who is quick to rub Brin's violation of the challenge rules in his face take a moment to reread Forum Rule #13:

Originally posted by Forum Rules:
13. Assume good faith. When replying to a post, your reply must assume that the original poster's message was intended to be constructive and follow the rules. It's difficult to convey facial expressions or tone of voice over the forums, so a post that appears offensive may be well intentioned. If you cannot assume the original poster acted in good faith, report the post in question, and do not reply at all.


While we have established that Brin's voting during WPL2 violated the rules, let's give him the benefit of the doubt that his apology is sincere -- as I believe it is. Should future events prove otherwise, we will address that at that time.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 18:29:17.
 10/31/2006 06:51:43 PM · #37
Brin... well put and what's done is done... :)
Rd

10/31/2006 07:15:25 PM · #38
Terry, we all have opinions and while yours and mine may be very different, they are both still valid.

Cheers

June
 10/31/2006 10:31:58 PM · #39
Brin,

Not only are you banned from the X-Box for the next year, but also, you MUST make every attempt to upload photos for the next 10 challenges that truly SUCK!!!

If any of your photos are a 4.0 or above in the next 10 challenges, then you will be going to bed early for the next year without your teddy!!!

Now, take it like a 44 year old man, and do the punishment.

Jeeeezzzzzz-us.
 10/31/2006 11:03:38 PM · #40
Apologies are good.
But on a different note in general, I've seen some apologies on the site made only AFTER someone is caught. So no remorse, unless you're caught? Gee... I wonder how many more apologies are "waiting to be made" (once they are caught, of course).
 10/31/2006 11:10:21 PM · #41
Originally posted by Chiqui:
[quote=PhantomEWO] op the bad blood here on DPC for the entire photography world to see.

How is this site going to maintain a level of respectablility when with every chance members are tearing apart other members without any real knowledge why. Let the judges (SC's)take care of infractions and let's all get back to taking pictures as friends.



I supposed the same could be said about what happened. How is this site ever going to maintain a level of respectability when people break the rules/cheat and all it takes is a few words and everyone's sympathizing? I know this is just a game but, in my opinion, situations like this are making people think it's ok to do things as long as you throw an apology out there when you get caught. I think we as a community need to make people think twice before breaking the rules.

June

Well it does look like you don't understand what I was saying, look at rule #13 as posted above. If you want to be part of the process of judicial review then ask to become an SC where you can see all the evidence and make decisions based on information instead of emotions. When the SC's make an announcement that should be the end of it. If anyone dissagrees then it should be off-line with the SC's and let then do their job. For some reason many here feel that they own this, if I'm wrong so be it but I believe Langdon owns this site, we are all visitors and he has given the SC's a responsibility to maintain some control. They have done a great job especially with all the critical words to individuals here. We are all photogs, no prizes here, just fun. If someone does want to "cheat" to win nothing at all or if others want to complain to this extent over a "nothing" award, wow are we hollow and immature. Let the SC's do their job, make their announcements and move on to the next challenge. Friends we all are ....

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 23:45:06.
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