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09/25/2006 11:25:21 PM · #1 |
I've had a few comments on my Seed shot questioning why it came in first. I certainly think people are entitled to question things, so let's not devolve into a "say something nice!" argument, but I felt this could be the start of an interesting discussion.
This is a quote from the Seed thread started before the voting started:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
"I'm having a very tough time choosing. On the one hand I have what I view is going to be a cliche photo, but with superior technicals and sharp enough to cut steel (and we all know DPC responds to sharp); on the other hand I have a shot with a bit of a "how'd he do that" effect, but the technicals are just not quite as well done.
Right now I have the second shot in. I think the first shot will have at least 3 or 4 others which will look just like it." |
I was going to enter my outtake into the Free Study, but I have something else, so I can share. The question is, which, in your opinion is better? The ribbon winner is somewhat short on technicals, but may make up for it in "feel" (including any "gee whiz, how'd he do that?" feel). The outtake (which is 720 pixels BTW because of the free study) has superior technicals, but does it have the "feel"? (I worried that it would be a shot that many people would enter because it wasn't all that difficult to do).
Let the civil discussion ensue...
The winner:
The Outtake:
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09/25/2006 11:28:47 PM · #2 |
"the winner" holds more meaning (or in your words, feel) compared to the "outtake" shot. |
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09/25/2006 11:29:33 PM · #3 |
Well Doc I might not be the best judge. I gave your entry a 9 because of the color, bokeh and composition. Yes, it was a little out of focus but I forgive things like that if a shot wows me. now your outtake on the other hand would have been a 10 hands down from me - a definite WOW factor here
but that's just my opinion |
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09/25/2006 11:30:45 PM · #4 |
I don't think it's very bold of me, but you made the right choice. Your ribbon winner tells a story. It's as simple as that. The technicals are good enough to appease the um... be nice now... purists, so they didn't bonk you. Your other picture doesn't say much. It would score high, but I doubt it would ribbon.
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09/25/2006 11:31:02 PM · #5 |
The outtake is one of the more impressive macros I have seen here lately.. excellent work :)
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09/25/2006 11:33:50 PM · #6 |
I think the winning shot buries the outtake. At the same time, I gave the winning shot half the points I gave the 2nd place ribbon entry so there's no explaining tastes... I didn't think it was too original, but I did think it was a hell of a capture (giving benefit of doubt it wasn't staged).
Paratroopers is cool in its own way. Are you editing on an LCD by any chance? It almost looks oversharpened on my crt.
Anyway, it came in first because more people liked it than any other entry. Grats again. Maybe they'll add a Page 1,2,3...8 footer to your profile page to accomodate all the ribbons ;)
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09/25/2006 11:35:59 PM · #7 |
I think it depends on the challenge as I'm sure in a macro challenge your outtake would have done very well also. It's hard to compare the two since one wasn't entered. Personally, I like the outtake better but I think my judgement is clouded. Reason being I remember your entry shot being done by someone before who executed it perfectly so I might have compared your shot to that had I voted in Seed, which I didn't.
ETA: They are both excellent images just in different ways.
Message edited by author 2006-09-25 23:37:57. |
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09/25/2006 11:37:34 PM · #8 |
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09/25/2006 11:38:29 PM · #9 |
i like your outtake... i never knew what it looked like that close up... so to me, it taught me something and means a little more because of it. like someone else said, it has a definite wow factor for me. would have easily been a 10. |
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09/25/2006 11:51:01 PM · #10 |
I like how you already have 1200 views on your outtake and it's only been posted for what, half an hour? That in it's own right is amazing. |
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09/25/2006 11:55:16 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Melethia: I like how you already have 1200 views on your outtake and it's only been posted for what, half an hour? That in it's own right is amazing. |
Wow. My highest viewed shot only has 1412 views and that was a challenge entry and an older one at that.
Message edited by author 2006-09-25 23:55:36. |
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09/25/2006 11:56:14 PM · #12 |
Hey Doc, I like both very well. I like your "Blue" because is shows the way the seeds disperse become new plants at the winds will. The macro is perfect as it shows how the seeds form after the blossom. The kicker, I figured there would be a bunch of dandilions, so I didn't enter one, and I entered one for mystery, so I figured wrong again. They are both excellent. Van |
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09/26/2006 12:02:09 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Melethia: I like how you already have 1200 views on your outtake and it's only been posted for what, half an hour? That in it's own right is amazing. |
That's gotta be wrong. The thread only has 123 views... |
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09/26/2006 12:08:28 AM · #14 |
Admit it Doc; you like it so much you've opened it up over a thousand times yourself...
R.
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09/26/2006 12:12:00 AM · #15 |
Regarding the relative merits of the two images, the actual ribbon-winner is a highly emotive image, with its overtones of escape, discovery, adventure, perseverance, you name it. The outtake is technically very superior, and fascinating in its own way for its glimpse into something few of us have ever seen, but it comes across as quite sterile by comparison. I expect it would not have ribboned, although it would have scored very decently.
Robt.
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09/26/2006 12:19:37 AM · #16 |
For what it's worth, here's the ribbon-winner with a dose of Focus Magic applied:
Robt.
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09/26/2006 12:21:56 AM · #17 |
I think they both SUCK ;-P
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09/26/2006 12:23:15 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: For what it's worth, here's the ribbon-winner with a dose of Focus Magic applied:
Robt. |
Is Focus Magic legal to use in the challenges? Doesn't it need to move pixels to fix the focus? I just downloaded the trial of that the other day and it works great especially when used in moderation. |
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09/26/2006 12:29:09 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by yanko: ... it works great especially when used in moderation. |
You said it yourself. In advanced editing, it is legal to move pixels as long as you don't obliterate the original. |
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09/26/2006 12:30:09 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Is Focus Magic legal to use in the challenges? Doesn't it need to move pixels to fix the focus? I just downloaded the trial of that the other day and it works great especially when used in moderation. |
As far as I know it's perfectly legal. It's just very sophisticated USM, I believe. IF you use the "fix motion blur" feature, THAT might well be illegal, but this is "fix out of focus blur" and that's just a high-end USM, similar to results you can get by using USM in several different strengths on differently-blended layers.
I never use it in basic challenges, btw, because I'm pretty sure it's using blending modes behind the interface.
R.
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09/26/2006 12:34:26 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by srdanz: Originally posted by yanko: ... it works great especially when used in moderation. |
You said it yourself. In advanced editing, it is legal to move pixels as long as you don't obliterate the original. |
Well I was also thinking about the major element rule. For example, would it be a major element you're creating if you make something OOF in focus? Basically the opposite of the motion blur issue we had a while back that adding that was a major element so wouldn't removing that be the same thing?
ETA: I think Bear agrees it would be and that's my thinking also. So disregard this diversion as I am hijacking the Doc's thread.
Message edited by author 2006-09-26 00:35:29. |
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09/26/2006 12:34:55 AM · #22 |
I'm curious. Jason, you said you liked Paratroopers better, yet you picked Escape. Why? I mean, if you liked the other one better, why did you enter Escape?
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09/26/2006 12:44:45 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by ursula: I'm curious. Jason, you said you liked Paratroopers better, yet you picked Escape. Why? I mean, if you liked the other one better, why did you enter Escape? |
I'm not sure he said that:
"I'm having a very tough time choosing. On the one hand I have what I view is going to be a cliche photo, but with superior technicals and sharp enough to cut steel (and we all know DPC responds to sharp); on the other hand I have a shot with a bit of a "how'd he do that" effect, but the technicals are just not quite as well done.
Right now I have the second shot in. I think the first shot will have at least 3 or 4 others which will look just like it."
He seems to be distinguishing between them on technical quality (the outtake IS better, technically) and the "gee whiz" factor (which the ribbon-winner has in spades). I believe he made the right choice, in that the scoring indicates the viewers were able to overlook the weak focus and concentrate on the "emotive" component of the image.
R.
Message edited by author 2006-09-26 00:45:09.
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09/26/2006 12:47:49 AM · #24 |
Okay.........this is ridiculous! Ursula,from now on you are only allowed to submit things that you have knit ..... or built from rice krispies squares. DOC, if you would just clean up the damn weeds from your front lawn we would not have this problem! ShutterPug, have you not heard of "DO NOT FEED THE WILDLIFE"??? Me, I like my poppies because they make fun treats and I find everyone is much nicer when they levitate. hehehe |
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09/26/2006 12:49:29 AM · #25 |
I thought Jason said somewhere he liked his outtake better than his entry, but I may be wrong. Anyway. It doesn't really matter. I agree with people here who have said that the outtake is better technically, but Escape has a wider emotional appeal. It's good to know that emotion will still beat technicals :)
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