Voting on challanges - pictures moving.

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D

04/30/2003 07:40:40 AM · #1

When I get a chance to vote, I like to go through all of the pictures, enabling me to decide where my top 10 are going to be (generally looking at the thumbnails and deciding which ones look good, and then going into those to decide on my top 10). I have noticed however that when I go back they are no longer on the same page and often struggle to find these pictures again as they keep changing pages and position. I am assuming that this is due to the voting, and as their vote improves they move to the front?

If this is the case shouldn't this be changed, as I feel that this can influence the vote to a certain degree. Would also think that keeping them in the same place would assist people in their voting (yes I know that you can see all those you have voted for at the end pages - still does not help when searching for ones you have not yet voted for).

Martus

Nikon Z6

04/30/2003 09:09:17 AM · #2

Actually the moving pictures are done to make voting more fair. Not everybody votes on all the photographs. If the thumbnails were to appear in the same order every time, to everyone who was voting, the first couple of entries which are displayed will get a lot more votes than the rest.
By changing the order in which entries are displayed all the time, every entry is given an equal chance.

sagestudio

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/30/2003 09:13:13 AM · #3

Also, they are randomly changed, not according to votes at all.

Toddh

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

04/30/2003 09:40:37 AM · #4

perhaps it would be possible to eliminate the photos you have voted on.... or have the option to turn a function like this on and off, that way you could look at the ones you you haven't voted on, look at all of them, or even be able to sort them by the ranking you have given them in order to "revisit" some scores..... just my two cents worth....

e301

04/30/2003 10:02:34 AM · #5

Judging the photos from the thumbnails is unfair - the automated system which re-sizes shots for the thumbnails we have no control over, and there are a large number of shots that don't thumbnail well. Sharp focus can become hugely artefacted, details blur into what seems a mess, graduations of light become expanses of nothing, and many other problems.

I don't think we should be allowed to see the thumnails until we have voted on an image - and those with dial-up connections will jjust have to wait until the next week.

It just isn't a fair way to judge the efffort a lot of people put into their shots. And there's no requirement to assess every photo.

Ed

Message edited by author 2003-04-30 10:14:13.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/30/2003 10:06:25 AM · #6

Originally posted by jaam:

Please do not vote or prejudge entries based on the server-generated thumbnails. It is not fair to the photographers, as some types of photographs will look better than others in thumbnail, and the photographer has no control over the thumbnails.

-Terry

Martus

Nikon Z6

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D

04/30/2003 10:06:48 AM · #7

Originally posted by todd10d:

Actually ,the one's you have voted on move to the back, so you shouldn't see them again, unless you go looking for them, or have voted on so many of the entries that the one's you have already voted on start appearing on the first page of thumbnails. The ones you have voted on are also sorted according to the score you gave them, which makes it very easy to later revisit your scores. :)

04/30/2003 10:55:30 AM · #8

Sorry did not make myself clear enough - I do not actually vote on the thumbnail, but I do use the thumbnail to determine those pictures I am more likely to vote on - if I notice from the thumbnail that the subject has not been followed, I am unlikely to go in and vote on that one. I might see a picture I really like, and go into the bigger picture, only to discover that I find fault with that picture, from that I will then make my vote. Unfortunately I generally just do not have the time to shift through 250 fotos and give them all a vote. If the challange receives over 250 fotos I normally do not vote at all as I often struggle to find the time even to do the minimum number of votes, as I refuse to vote and leave a bland comment like - cool foto, as I do not find this particularly helpful to anyone.

If someone out here has a means of voting on lots of fotos quickly, without leaving useless comments, please impart your wisdom. Otherwise I will keep to my tried and tested system.

tragicharpy

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

04/30/2003 10:58:52 AM · #9

i vote on them all i think criticism is needed thats why i joined this site

glad to see you on here jaam not talked to you for a while thanks for the train shots you sent me

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/30/2003 11:22:10 AM · #10

You have got far too much time on your hands Neil. Interesting choice in name. See you are also waiting until you get that killer shot or at least one worthy of submitting.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

04/30/2003 11:36:47 AM · #11

Originally posted by jaam:

So, under your system, if the subject was followed in a certain way, the photographer is penalized. Or, if a picture looks average at thumbnail, and its strength is in the detail, they are also penalized.

I don't recommend trying to vote faster, but rather simple starting with the first photo and working your way through as many as your are comfortable with in order, taking whatever comes. You may will find some pleasant surprises that you would have missed!

-Terry

myqyl

Nikon D3100

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

04/30/2003 12:03:58 PM · #12

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Terry, either you misunderstood him or I did :) I believe he said if he feels the challenge is not met or his interest is not caught by the thumbnail, that he doesn't vote on it at all. That doesn't penalize anyone overly much, except possible Jaam will miss out on a killer photo that didn't translate well to a thumb.

But as I said, I might be the one that misunderstood him :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

04/30/2003 01:16:25 PM · #13

Terry & mygyl you are both correct to a degree.

Terry, if I just voted as per the order they came in then it would be the first 50 odd photos that came up, which in a way is just as penalising as looking at thumbnails, at least when looking at thumbnails I can get a basic idea of whether the challange has been met or not. If I cannot make out the thumbnail, then I go in to the bigger version to see what it is. And while I agree with you that I will miss out on some where the pictures strenght is its detail - I just don't always have the time to check through each photo, so to me this is the fairest way (at least I can ignore those that I feel do not meet the standards of the subject matter). If you feel this is unfair, then prehaps no votes should be counted from a voter, unless they have voted for every single picture, as surely only then can one accurately judge which is the best picture for that subject?

mygyl you have pretty much hit on the head.

My only other option is to vote on as much as I can and not leave any comments, and maybe go back if there is more time later and fill in the odd comment?

So which is the better method:
1. Vote on everything - but no comments? or
2. Vote on a some that catch your attention and leave worthwhile comments (not just "really liked that picture - gave it 10" - while I agree that it is helpfull to your pictures score, I do not please it is helpfull to improving your picture quality and thus defeats part of the object of this site).

myqyl

Nikon D3100

04/30/2003 02:10:48 PM · #14

Originally posted by jaam:

So which is the better method:

Personally, I think you should follow your heart and vote/comment in whichever way you prefer.

As an alternative method, quit your job and start putting in the time to vote/comment on all of the photos :)

e301

04/30/2003 02:10:49 PM · #15

>> as surely only then can one accurately judge which is the best picture for that subject?

But that isn't what you're voting on: best, second best etc.

Your 'vote' is a mark out of ten for that shot, and that is all.

Ed

And Jaam, according to your profile, you are yet to cast a vote. You do know about the 20% rule, do you?

Message edited by author 2003-04-30 14:11:50.

aronya1

Nikon D70

04/30/2003 02:24:06 PM · #16

jaam,
I have a suggestion that addresses what your original post was about:

If you right-click the link to the thumbnail page you want to view, then choose to open in another window, the images will stay put as long as you don't close the new window. When you are ready to move to the next set of thumbs, open in a new window. This will mean several open browser windows, but it will keep things from shifting around as you make your decisions.

Hope that helps

tragicharpy

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

04/30/2003 03:16:46 PM · #17

jaam not waiting lol only just join i was 5 hours late to submit my train shot in the transport challenge my pics have improved dramatically with the help i got in this forum

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

05/01/2003 05:46:30 AM · #18

Tragicharpy, tell me about it, got that a couple of decent transport ones, prior to the transport competition, and got some really nice fauna ones just after the fauna compo, fume....

tragicharpy

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

05/01/2003 07:11:26 AM · #19

at least i should be in the glass one as i am in manchester tomorrow at ibis maybe a new camera to jaam holdin on to all hope here

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

05/01/2003 11:34:17 AM · #20

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by jaam:
So which is the better method:

Personally, I think you should follow your heart and vote/comment in whichever way you prefer.

As an alternative method, quit your job and start putting in the time to vote/comment on all of the photos :)

LOL!! My last day of work as a freshwater aquarium specialist is May 3rd, when I plan on coming back as a full time critic. Whoohoo..watch out DPC.

myqyl

Nikon D3100

05/01/2003 11:49:46 AM · #21

Sheesh Heather!!! I was kidding about people quiting their jobs to have more time to comment :)

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by jaam:
So which is the better method:

Personally, I think you should follow your heart and vote/comment in whichever way you prefer.

As an alternative method, quit your job and start putting in the time to vote/comment on all of the photos :)

LOL!! My last day of work as a freshwater aquarium specialist is May 3rd, when I plan on coming back as a full time critic. Whoohoo..watch out DPC.