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09/05/2006 05:03:40 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hey! I just found the answer on google for at least the state of Michigan...
At an intersection with a two way stop, if a vehicle wanting to make a left-hand turn arrived before a vehicle wanting to go straight through the intersection and cross traffic clears, who has the right-of-way.
In this case, the issue is "first-come-first-go". State law does not say that the driver "going strait through" has the right of way. However, the driver turning may want to show a bit more caution before turning in front of oncoming vehicles. |
Whenever you hire a car in Europe: straight goes first, even if you have to wait for 50 cars before you can turn left.
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09/05/2006 05:05:12 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hey! I just found the answer on google for at least the state of Michigan...
At an intersection with a two way stop, if a vehicle wanting to make a left-hand turn arrived before a vehicle wanting to go straight through the intersection and cross traffic clears, who has the right-of-way.
In this case, the issue is "first-come-first-go". State law does not say that the driver "going strait through" has the right of way. However, the driver turning may want to show a bit more caution before turning in front of oncoming vehicles. |
Do I win a prize or something?
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09/05/2006 05:07:47 PM · #28 |
| Let's put it this way - law or no law, I'd take a whole load of time before I ever drove out in front of another car. |
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09/05/2006 05:10:54 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hey! I just found the answer on google for at least the state of Michigan...
At an intersection with a two way stop, if a vehicle wanting to make a left-hand turn arrived before a vehicle wanting to go straight through the intersection and cross traffic clears, who has the right-of-way.
In this case, the issue is "first-come-first-go". State law does not say that the driver "going strait through" has the right of way. However, the driver turning may want to show a bit more caution before turning in front of oncoming vehicles. |
Thank you! My wife is originally from Michigan and I'm from Indiana. She says that the other person has the right of way and I always disagree. We've debated this many times since we encounter this several times a week. I'll typically just give it the gas to remove all doubt who has the right of way. Cross traffic is moving fast so I have my justification. |
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09/05/2006 05:14:13 PM · #30 |
In NYS I just looked at the drivers manual, and while it does not cover that exact case, I would say it implies the other driver (going straight) has the right away. (This is what I've always remembered to be the rules of the road as well, and I learned to drive in Indiana):
//www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmanual/chapter05-manual.htm
If drivers approaching from opposite directions reach an intersection at about the same time, a driver turning left must yield to approaching traffic going straight or turning right.
Example: You want to turn left at an intersection ahead. A vehicle is approaching from the opposite direction, going straight ahead. You must wait for approaching traffic to go through before you turn. You may enter the intersection, however, to prepare for your left turn if the light is green and no other vehicle ahead of you is preparing for a left turn (see "Turns" later in this chapter). When you enter the intersection, stay to the right of the center line. Keep your wheels straight to avoid being pushed into oncoming traffic should a rear-end collision occur. When approaching traffic clears or stops for a red light, complete your turn.
You must also yield to approaching traffic when turning left into a driveway, alleyway, parking lot or other area, even if the turn is not controlled by signs or signals.
For any left turn, the law requires you to yield to any approaching traffic close enough to be a hazard. Deciding when traffic is too close takes experience and judgment. If you have any doubt, wait for traffic to pass before turning left.
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09/05/2006 05:16:14 PM · #31 |
In some cities there are crosswalks where cars are supposed to stop when pedestrians are in the crosswalk.
If you were a pedestrian would you walk in front of a moving car? |
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09/05/2006 05:17:04 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mist:
Let's put it this way - law or no law, I'd take a whole load of time before I ever drove out in front of another car. |
Well, you are still obeying a LAW... it's called Survival of the Fittest :-)
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09/05/2006 05:19:35 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by maryba:
In some cities there are crosswalks where cars are supposed to stop when pedestrians are in the crosswalk.
If you were a pedestrian would you walk in front of a moving car? |
Depends on the city.
In Calgary, you move your foot off the curb, and most cars will stop for you right away.
In New York or Montreal? Heck no!!
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09/05/2006 05:19:58 PM · #34 |
The correct answer is "(C) None of the above"
The proper way to decide who has the right-of-way is for both drivers to get out of their vehicles and execute a coin toss. The best two out of three tosses wins. If for some reason the contest cannot be decided in this manner, then the drivers should draw their katanas and do battle until either first blood is drawn, or one of the contestants is dead.
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09/05/2006 05:21:36 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by maryba:
In some cities there are crosswalks where cars are supposed to stop when pedestrians are in the crosswalk.
If you were a pedestrian would you walk in front of a moving car? |
Depends on the city.
In Calgary, you move your foot off the curb, and most cars will stop for you right away.
In New York or Montreal? Heck no!! |
In New York you have it coming if take your foot off the curb. :P
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09/05/2006 05:22:38 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Interesting question. I don't really think I know the correct answer.
You come to a two-way stop with crossing traffic not having a stop sign. You plan to turn left. After you arrive, but before you can pull out, a car stops at the stop sign across from you and intends to go straight.
Who has the right of way? You who arrived first, but are turning left or the other car who arrived second, but is going straight? |
On the Oregon side of the river the person that arrives first at a stop sign controlled intersection always has the right of way no matter if turning or not.
However, if the other driver looks like they are going to assume they have the right of way then give it to them. :)
Message edited by author 2006-09-05 17:24:07.
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09/05/2006 05:34:57 PM · #37 |
I̢۪ve lived in the states (South Carolina) for about 7 years now; and one of the best things about this country is the ability to turn right on a red light (if it was implemented in England, it would be turning left on red!)
It̢۪s great.
But, what isn̢۪t as good is the STOP sign.
In England, they have GIVE WAY, which is the equivalent of the American YIELD, meaning you can roll up to an intersection and if the road is clear, you can keep rolling-no need to come to a complete stop.
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09/05/2006 05:39:13 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I̢۪ve lived in the states (South Carolina) for about 7 years now; and one of the best things about this country is the ability to turn right on a red light (if it was implemented in England, it would be turning left on red!)
It̢۪s great.
But, what isn̢۪t as good is the STOP sign.
In England, they have GIVE WAY, which is the equivalent of the American YIELD, meaning you can roll up to an intersection and if the road is clear, you can keep rolling-no need to come to a complete stop. |
Round abouts are a good solution too. No traffic, no stopping. We have one round about in Houston and no one knows what to do once they are in it.
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09/05/2006 05:43:48 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
... She says that the other person has the right of way and I always disagree. |
She'll live longer :-) |
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09/05/2006 06:38:30 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
On the Oregon side of the river the person that arrives first at a stop sign controlled intersection always has the right of way no matter if turning or not.
However, if the other driver looks like they are going to assume they have the right of way then give it to them. :) |
That is of course after you wait for the 3 bicyclists who blow through the intersection without even looking to see if a car is there and in the process of driving through.
My standard stop sign plan is to let everyone go ahead of me since they (generalization) tend to act like they are entitled to and are obviously much more important than the rest of the people on the road. This way my car stays safe and I can vent my irritation when I finally make my turn instead of doing it in the hospital because people can't figure out that they have to wait for others.
We have a lot of 4-way stops by my house so this mode has worked quite well even when I know I have the right of way. Just not worth it to teach others the proper rules of the road the hard way.
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09/05/2006 06:40:06 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Interesting question. I don't really think I know the correct answer.
You come to a two-way stop with crossing traffic not having a stop sign. You plan to turn left. After you arrive, but before you can pull out, a car stops at the stop sign across from you and intends to go straight.
Who has the right of way? You who arrived first, but are turning left or the other car who arrived second, but is going straight? |
On the Oregon side of the river the person that arrives first at a stop sign controlled intersection always has the right of way no matter if turning or not.
However, if the other driver looks like they are going to assume they have the right of way then give it to them. :) |
California side of the river: I use an intersection like this two or three times a day near where I live. We mostly behave just like Oregon. As a cautionary measure, besides watching for everything else that I watch for in an intersection, I double check the other car's wheels, to make sure they are going to stay stopped. (If I'm first) |
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09/05/2006 07:09:43 PM · #42 |
| STOP, that's an acronym. It stands for Slight Tap On Pedal. |
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09/05/2006 07:18:03 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Naw, no accident. I just come across this when I pull out of my bank (being a doc I'm there all the time, right?). Across from the bank is a strip mall with an exit and a stop sign. The cross road is divided with a median so it takes even longer to traverse. I just didn't know what the answer was. |
You've now possibly confused things, if one of the stop signs is facing a driveway and not an actual street. My guess is that in entering a public thoroughfare from a private driveway you probably always have to yield the right-of-way. |
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09/05/2006 07:50:44 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Interesting question. I don't really think I know the correct answer.
You come to a two-way stop with crossing traffic not having a stop sign. You plan to turn left. After you arrive, but before you can pull out, a car stops at the stop sign across from you and intends to go straight.
Who has the right of way? You who arrived first, but are turning left or the other car who arrived second, but is going straight? |
My opinion, before reading the replies, would be whoever gets there first has the right of way.
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09/05/2006 07:59:11 PM · #45 |
...besides, 75% of drivers do not use their turn signal. (Yes, I just made that number up.) What if you arive at a stop sign with your turn signal on and wait for the guy across from you to drive straight. The thing is, you only THINK he is going straight, but the bastard turns left without a turn signal.
Message edited by author 2006-09-05 19:59:38.
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09/05/2006 08:16:04 PM · #46 |
It's always whomever arrives at the stop first.
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09/05/2006 08:19:08 PM · #47 |
| I would just sound my baseball game "Charge!" themed novelty horn to dazzle them long enough to let me turn. |
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09/05/2006 09:20:21 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by JRalston:
...besides, 75% of drivers do not use their turn signal. (Yes, I just made that number up.) What if you arive at a stop sign with your turn signal on and wait for the guy across from you to drive straight. The thing is, you only THINK he is going straight, but the bastard turns left without a turn signal. |
Don't forget the people that forget to turn off their signals that was already used for an earlier turn. I haven't really noticed that at a stop sign but so often I see people with their turn signals when I am about to leave a parking lot and I think they are going to turn into it except they don't.
Message edited by author 2006-09-05 21:21:07.
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09/05/2006 09:33:13 PM · #49 |
| In the example you gave, the car going straight through has the right away in most (if not all) jurisdictions in North America. If it was a four way stop then the car that arrived first has the right away. If both cars arrived at the same time then the car going straight through has the right of way. If the cars are stopped at 90 degrees to each other and arrived at the same time, then the car on the right has the right away. An easy way to remember this is if your are looking out your passenger side window, (in North America) then the other car has the right of way. But as mentioned if the other car that is turning has been waiting for a while then common curtisy says you should let them go. Besides waiting for a cop, filling out all that paper work and waiting for a tow truck will take a lot longer the giving the guy turning a break. |
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09/05/2006 09:34:32 PM · #50 |
| If they involve not tkaing pictures as you drive *Coughs* Uhh no I dont lol |
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