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08/30/2006 04:49:33 PM · #76 |
| If accounts are deleted for score manipulation, why does this person have 2 disqualifications for it in their profile? |
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08/30/2006 04:50:51 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
You're a high voter so I imagine that you won't get too many complaints. However, others would be probably get hammered. |
Right. I just mentioned that so my comment would sound like the objective, "I see those people's point of view" statement that it was intended to be.
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
I like the idea giving the voter the option of reveal votes. I would certainly reveal mine and explain if asked why I gave a low (or high vote). |
*nod* The option idea makes so much more sense to me than having it be mandatory.
Sometimes "bagheads" get criticised for their wanting to be anonomyous. I would suspect that there might be criticism if a person did not want to reveal their votes, either. But 1) just like you can't stop 100% of cheating, you can't stop 100% of people complaining about other people, either and 2) people choose what they want to subject themselves to: criticisms about voting/comments or criticism about being anonomyous - they can make decisions based on what works for them. |
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08/30/2006 04:52:38 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I need a check box to reveal my votes because I vote 100% in every challenge I vote on and I don't have time to comment. BUT...if I revealed my votes and people sought me out..I could talk to those that cared to ask me.
This is a selfish thing cause what I am hoping is I might learn something from some other passionate photographers :-P |
You can type a single numeric character in the comment field. |
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08/30/2006 04:53:36 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hokie:
I need a check box to reveal my votes because I vote 100% in every challenge I vote on and I don't have time to comment. BUT...if I revealed my votes and people sought me out..I could talk to those that cared to ask me.
This is a selfish thing cause what I am hoping is I might learn something from some other passionate photographers :-P |
You can type a single numeric character in the comment field. |
If you remember, I tried that one time and all hell broke loose.
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08/30/2006 04:54:18 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by hokie:
It means I can talk about photography more instead of other crap that seems to be popular in forums :-D |
ie Voting rants and cheater discussions... you may be on to something. |
The voting rants are kind of fun to read cause I like it when people get passionate about what they believe. (Even though I have seen a thousand of those threads and they all end the same).
If yanko (who seems to feel similar to me here) voted a 4 on my photo I could say "Hey, yanko..what made you vote a 4? You freaking %^$^%*^&()) ) heheheh ;-D
Seriously though, yanko (being fully aware of the crapstorm he is going to get for checking that "show my underwear..ermm I mean..vote box") will be predisposed to talk to me about it. It might just be a simple..."man ..that thing was BORING!"...nuff said.
It might be simply that I could look at yanko's profile..see how he voted on other stuff and learn something like that without even bothering him.
GIVE ME MY CHECK BOX!!!!
Message edited by author 2006-08-30 16:56:22. |
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08/30/2006 04:55:50 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hokie:
I need a check box to reveal my votes because I vote 100% in every challenge I vote on and I don't have time to comment. BUT...if I revealed my votes and people sought me out..I could talk to those that cared to ask me.
This is a selfish thing cause what I am hoping is I might learn something from some other passionate photographers :-P |
You can type a single numeric character in the comment field. |
That was my point in mentioning 100% voting. Going down into each comment box over 300 times to type would add even more tedium. |
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08/30/2006 04:55:54 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hokie:
I need a check box to reveal my votes because I vote 100% in every challenge I vote on and I don't have time to comment. BUT...if I revealed my votes and people sought me out..I could talk to those that cared to ask me.
This is a selfish thing cause what I am hoping is I might learn something from some other passionate photographers :-P |
You can type a single numeric character in the comment field. |
If you remember, I tried that one time and all hell broke loose. |
I forgot ... maybe it's time to reconsider the propriety of that option. |
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08/30/2006 04:58:04 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by hokie:
We have no fear of harm like that here. |
I personally have *never* been criticized* for a vote or comment made but some people have; isn't that why there's the "anonomyous during voting" option for paid members?
edit: *during the voting process, through PMs |
Lucky you. I have, and by people who you'd never suspect. People who get consistently high scores and are almost worshipped here. I won't name names, but they have PM'ed me during voting and "reprimanded" me for my comments. They never knew what I voted because I don't say (well, sometimes I say if I give it a 10, but they don't complain about that).
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08/30/2006 04:58:53 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by hokie:
If people started calling people out in the forums or in E-mail..there is are site rule that prohibit that. |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by hokie:
If I vote a winning photo a 4 or a 5...I would LOVE for someone to ask me about it. It means I can talk about photography more instead of other crap that seems to be popular in forums :-D |
D I T T O. |
but I can see a thin line between the difference between these two statements. But I do stand corrected that there are rules for this to not get out of control. But I do think this won't really stop ghost accounts from being used. Ok, need to to go to class, be back later. |
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08/30/2006 05:00:07 PM · #85 |
A formatting question -- just where/how would "your" vote be revealed? And how would that work when some are and some are not?
It seems to me the only "automated" way would be for the system to automatically insert a comment "User username has voted a current_vote_value on this image" -- which will certainly uglify the comment thread if a lot of people exercise this option.
Otherwise, I don't see any place to display this information ... |
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08/30/2006 05:01:49 PM · #86 |
Actually, I just thought of this..Let me and a few others try this "Vote Box" out.
If you attach it to my "Profile Viewed" counter I bet I and others who show their votes would outrun even the winning photographer of a challenge on the number of times thier profiles were viewed.
I believe that is just how interested people are in knowing how people vote. |
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08/30/2006 05:02:56 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Life is too short to read this entire thread, but what if we required validation on each user's first entry? It would reinforce the need to read the rules, and many cameras record serial numbers in the EXIF data, so we could simply look for matches. |
Now that's an interesting idea, but more work for SC.
I often also wonder how many DQs never get checked because someone didn't request validation or it didn't score high to get automatic request. It seems like every week a ribbon winner gets a DQ. How many exist in the whole challenge? I'm not suggesting that SC check every one, but I bet there would be a lot. |
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08/30/2006 05:03:50 PM · #88 |
| I still don't see a place to display how any individual voted on any particular person. |
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08/30/2006 05:04:17 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
I won't name names, but they have PM'ed me during voting and "reprimanded" me for my comments. They never knew what I voted because I don't say (well, sometimes I say if I give it a 10, but they don't complain about that). |
I'm not speaking to your personal situation here, just in general:
It is my observation that many people do not understand that a small difference in tone is very key when doing stuff like this, or posting threads about their entry in a just-ended challenge. Sometimes people are upset and angry, and shouldn't lash out at others. And sometimes people are genuinely wondering why, without wanting to accuse anybody of doing anything wrong, but the way they word things does not come across as gently as they might have wanted. Without tone of voice, word and phrasing choice is so important.
I think people need to think a bit more, sometimes, about the way they are coming across.
And also, people need to be able to say to themselves, I voted what I voted and I am not going to feel bad about that no matter what!
edit: And this wouldn't solve any problems in their entirety, either... it's just a couple of my thoughts, not any proposed solution.
Message edited by author 2006-08-30 17:07:07. |
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08/30/2006 05:04:32 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Life is too short to read this entire thread, but what if we required validation on each user's first entry? It would reinforce the need to read the rules, and many cameras record serial numbers in the EXIF data, so we could simply look for matches. |
awesome!
oh and other sites like fotofight (ick) require a user to enter like two challenges before they can vote. Not a bad idea in conjuction with yous. |
I voted in challenges before I got the nerve to submit. If I had to enter two challenges before I could vote, I probably would have found another site to occupy my time. After voting for a while and being awed, I finally decided to enter and now I can't stop. |
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08/30/2006 05:06:16 PM · #91 |
As far as I could see, the place for the voting to be displayed would be in the current voting display under a challenge photo. You currently get number of votes for 1-10, I'd guess that you'd have number of votes 1-10 and then at the end of each line a little link you can press which then displays the usernames of the people who gave that vote in a comma seperated list.
Probably introduces massive server load generating and displaying the lists, mind. |
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08/30/2006 05:06:42 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
A formatting question -- just where/how would "your" vote be revealed? And how would that work when some are and some are not?
It seems to me the only "automated" way would be for the system to automatically insert a comment "User username has voted a current_vote_value on this image" -- which will certainly uglify the comment thread if a lot of people exercise this option.
Otherwise, I don't see any place to display this information ... |
I was thinking more in lines of something shown AFTER the voting...Maybe a curve with everyone voting a 5 under one heading, a 6 under another, etc...You could click on your votes recieved bar graph (the thing that shows how many votes of a particular number your recieved). That click would bring up a list of the voters that voted that number.
So..I get 15 3's...I go to my vote bar graph and click on the 3's bar..nobody's name pops up then I know they are all cowards!!! heheheh
Message edited by author 2006-08-30 17:08:18. |
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08/30/2006 05:08:28 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hokie:
I need a check box to reveal my votes because I vote 100% in every challenge I vote on and I don't have time to comment. BUT...if I revealed my votes and people sought me out..I could talk to those that cared to ask me.
This is a selfish thing cause what I am hoping is I might learn something from some other passionate photographers :-P |
You can type a single numeric character in the comment field. |
If you remember, I tried that one time and all hell broke loose. |
I think it's time for an experiment on my part. In challenges that I vote, I try to comment on the 1st 25 random pictures that come up. For the Silhouette challenge I will add my vote to the comment and see what happens. |
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08/30/2006 05:13:32 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
I think it's time for an experiment on my part. In challenges that I vote, I try to comment on the 1st 25 random pictures that come up. For the Silhouette challenge I will add my vote to the comment and see what happens. |
Another thought too. Being able to click on your votes received bar graph means you might not be interested in know who gave you a 5. My guess though is people will go NUTS looking at who gave them what!
Maybe D&L could also have it so that your bar graph had a color change to the bar if there were people showing their vote in that range. If there were some 5 votes..the bar turned a different color or had an outline around it..so you didn't have to click every number bar to look for votes.
While they are doing all this coding..could they do my taxes for me too? ;-) |
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08/30/2006 05:17:14 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by hokie:
While they are doing all this coding..could they do my taxes for me too? ;-) |
Maybe, but they might have to raise your membership fee ... |
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08/30/2006 05:18:37 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Another thought too. Being able to click on your votes received bar graph means you might not be interested in know who gave you a 5. My guess though is people will go NUTS looking at who gave them what!
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Well, quite. People probably will, because people are curious animals. But I'm not sure that that's necessarily a good thing.
I mean, at the moment, I can look and see who my statistically favourite photogs are. That doesn't necessarily mean that I want other people to be able to do that. Not that I'm bothered about folk knowing who I like.. It's at the other end of the spectrum where I can see the possible trouble.
What happens if, after a few challenges, someone notices that they are consistently getting 4s from a certain other user? Do we suddenly get loads of threads calling people out for troll voting? |
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08/30/2006 05:20:01 PM · #97 |
This thread about who votes what has gotten way off track of the original intent. To slow cheating. scalvert's idea was great, but mostly being ignored, because everyone is more interested in their scores and who voted what.
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08/30/2006 05:24:06 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
This thread about who votes what has gotten way off track of the original intent. To slow cheating.
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I think the original post in this thread was more informative than anything. The slowing down cheating just followed from that.
But still, yes.
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
scalvert's idea was great, but mostly being ignored, because everyone is more interested in their scores and who voted what. |
Who voted what on my images doesn't matter squat to me. They voted it and that's that. That's really why I don't see the benefit of showing the names. |
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08/30/2006 05:36:57 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
One issue I see is that the DPC statement about multiple accounts is not in the user agreement (not that I can find, anyway). It is in the editing rules.
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I do recommend that the language about multiple accounts such should be in the user agreements.
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Makes sense to me. |
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08/30/2006 05:39:20 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
One issue I see is that the DPC statement about multiple accounts is not in the user agreement (not that I can find, anyway). It is in the editing rules.
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I do recommend that the language about multiple accounts such should be in the user agreements.
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Makes sense to me. |
I'm surprised that it's not. This should be plain as day on the signup information page, otherwise it's no surprise that people have +1 account. |
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