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 08/10/2006 06:21:36 PM · #51
Who is This One by, i've seen this before. Might not be here though.
 08/10/2006 06:24:18 PM · #52
That's really cool of them to have that report copyright infringement button btw.
 08/10/2006 06:27:29 PM · #53
Originally posted by wavelength:
Who is This One by, i've seen this before. Might not be here though.


In b/w that's usually Ansel Adams or someone trying to immitate him.
 08/10/2006 06:31:15 PM · #54
I can see both deapee and digitalknight's points. I don't want my images being stolen, they are mine and nobody else's. But I can't expect people not to steal them when it is a simple click of the mouse. So, what am I and the DPC community to do?

1st - As digitalknight said, I have to pick my battles. The stealing action will never stop. So if I can't stop it, what do I really want to police. For me, that is someone making money off my images...that is MY money OR someone doing something that circumvents(sp?) my attempt in making money (in this case giving away free cell phone backgrounds when I could be selling them on my website).

2nd - How do I discourage someone from selling my stuff? I think that can largely be taken care of by only uploading the small file sizes. I could also add a watermark to the NON-challenge images I upload. Unfortunately, that does not really prevent the cell phone issue as pointed out in this thread.

3rd - Continue to keep my eyes open for DPC images on other websites and inform the true owner. The decision as to what to do after that is theirs.

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 18:34:36.
 08/10/2006 06:47:56 PM · #55
As long as there's no hoohoo's on the page with it, they can post my 640X480 images anywhere they want. I think it's lame if they claim credit, but otherwise I personally don't care.

Everyone has their own priorities. Can't we all just get along? come on, group hug - who's with me!
 08/10/2006 06:57:28 PM · #56
I am having a hard time believing that almost everything is not of some copyright infringement on that site. Sure there may be alot of Public Domain stuff (the movie stars), but there are alot of video game, movie screen shots and lots of artwork (most likely done by someone else).
A few other familiar ones
Northern lights
this one I have found on 3 other sites also...might be Public Domain

Green Leaf


African daisies


Message edited by author 2006-08-10 19:54:48.
 08/10/2006 07:38:06 PM · #57
Originally posted by digitalknight:
I'm just wondering where your expectations are. You, to use deapee's strange little analogy, ARE leaving your car in the driveway, unlocked, with a sign (google) that invites millions of people a month to come look at your unlocked images.

Then when one steals your unlocked car with the sign in it saying "come and get me" you are SHOCKED, OUTRAGED, MORTIFIED!

Your car IS unlocked, there IS a sign on it saying "come and get me" with every image you upload. They WILL get stolen. EXPECT it.

It just puzzles me why so many members expect something else to be happening here.

Because once upon a time people had these things called "integrity" and "honor" and didn't go around doing this sort of shit. Guess that went out with the digital age, but it sure as hell doesn't mean that we're ALL like that, or that we have to quietly accept it.

There are copyright rules for a reason. If no one enforces them, it will only get worse.
 08/10/2006 07:38:52 PM · #58
Originally posted by banmorn:
Oh Great! Does this mean we'll have a Zedge Callenge? What's a Zedge any way?


LOL I was thinking the same thing!!!
 08/10/2006 07:55:31 PM · #59
Ever wondered about the registered users with no camera listed, no bio info, no comments, no challenge entries, no vote avg, no forum posts... but a squillion images in favourites...?

I'm probably being overly paranoid now, but it does make you wonder why they're here.
 08/10/2006 07:57:14 PM · #60
Originally posted by rinac:
Ever wondered about the registered users with no camera listed, no bio info, no comments, no challenge entries, no vote avg, no forum posts... but a squillion images in favourites...?

I'm probably being overly paranoid now, but it does make you wonder why they're here.


Maybe they like the site and enjoy photography and the plethora of talent here? I was one of those for almost a year before I did more than mark picture and photogs as faves
 08/10/2006 07:59:58 PM · #61
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Guess that went out with the digital age, but it sure as hell doesn't mean that we're ALL like that, or that we have to quietly accept it.

There are copyright rules for a reason. If no one enforces them, it will only get worse.


You nailed it with that first sentence. You don't have to quietly accept it but just expect to see dozens and dozens and dozens of sites like Zedge. Maybe DPC should just create an entire forum just for this sort of thing?

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 20:00:21.
 08/10/2006 08:20:32 PM · #62
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Guess that went out with the digital age, but it sure as hell doesn't mean that we're ALL like that, or that we have to quietly accept it.

There are copyright rules for a reason. If no one enforces them, it will only get worse.


WE ARE ALL LIKE THAT!!! Odyssey, Yanko, the rest of you, post here and tell me you have purchased EVERY song that you have an MP3 of!

Every challenge there is copyright infringement - justified away because we are on this site to "learn".

My point is that while we are debating this - hundreds of unregistered people are surfing the site right now. Most uses of what they are taking is harmless - a gallery somewhere on the web - but many view this site and others like it as a "free stock photo" site. How are you EVER going to fight that?

In everybody's life there is so much crap happening we can't possibly hunt down every person that wrongs us - I'd never make it to work in the morning chasing other drivers down for offending me. My point continues to be that you choose your battles.

Mom's making a lovely gallery of favorite photos that they have found online are NOT the problem, nor guys using our images as phone wallpaper. It's the ad agencies that know of DPC, the freelance artists that know how to use this stuff. They should be paying - I'm guessing there is commercial use of images off of this site all the time.

How do you stop it?

Memorize every image on DPC and spend all your time in paranoia hunting through billions of web pages?

If it bugs you, don't post images you don't want stolen - or put giant watermarks on them.

It bugs me too.

I decided to filter it as crap that I don't have time to worry about - just like those jerks that pull in front of me in traffic - welcome to modern life. If you sweat everything, you'll never stop sweating.

I admire those of you who have taken this crusade - I hope you find the real abusers of the internet and bring them to the justice they deserve.

I hope someone's not out there on a crusade to hunt down all the MP3 stealing scum at the same time...

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 20:23:37.
 08/10/2006 08:23:12 PM · #63
Originally posted by rinac:
Ever wondered about the registered users with no camera listed, no bio info, no comments, no challenge entries, no vote avg, no forum posts... but a squillion images in favourites...?

I'm probably being overly paranoid now, but it does make you wonder why they're here.


My daughter Cody28 fits that description quite well. She likes the photos and the forums but doesn't take photos herself. And she can also keep an eye on what the rest of the family is up to by logging on! She DOES comment and vote and has favourites so she contributes in her own way. I also suggested to my brother that he joins because he was recently widowed and needed an interest and some people to "talk" to during those long lonely nights.

So there are many reasons for being a non-photographic member of this wonderful site.
 08/10/2006 08:23:25 PM · #64
Originally posted by pidge:
Maybe they like the site and enjoy photography and the plethora of talent here? I was one of those for almost a year before I did more than mark picture and photogs as faves


That's cool :) I did say I'm probably being overly paranoid.
 08/10/2006 08:26:47 PM · #65
Originally posted by digitalknight:

WE ARE ALL LIKE THAT!!!


Obviously, you are.

Originally posted by digitalknight:

the rest of you, post here and tell me you have purchased EVERY song that you have an MP3 of!


Yes, I am saying exactly that. I don't use others photos without permission, I don't steal songs, I don't have any illigitimate software on my PC, I pay my taxes, when I go to the store and the cashier doesn't ring something up and I notice it, I go back and pay for it.

I like to get paid for my work, why would I steal work from others?

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 20:27:01.
 08/10/2006 08:30:12 PM · #66
Originally posted by Riponlady:
My daughter Cody28 fits that description quite well. She likes the photos and the forums but doesn't take photos herself. And she can also keep an eye on what the rest of the family is up to by logging on! She DOES comment and vote and has favourites so she contributes in her own way. I also suggested to my brother that he joins because he was recently widowed and needed an interest and some people to "talk" to during those long lonely nights.

So there are many reasons for being a non-photographic member of this wonderful site.


Sorry, you misunderstand, I meant the only activity is collecting favourite images. But as pidge pointed out, this is not entirely sinister behaviour.
 08/10/2006 08:53:18 PM · #67
Surely the question should be; what can the site do to better secure our images? I appreciate that there is no fail-safe method as anyone with a product like snag-it would be able to sceen-capture the shot. Thsi is one reason why I support the file-size and dimension limitations on this site, as stealing to make a profit is not really possible.

I would still like to see the following 'deterrents':
- right click disabled
- 100% transparent image over the top of displayed images
- a clearly visible statement against image theft

None of these will stop the determined thief, but they should stop the vast majority of casual thieves.
08/10/2006 08:56:53 PM · #68
"the rest of you, post here and tell me you have purchased EVERY song that you have an MP3 of!" Quote from digitalknight

Yes, I have purchased every song that I downloaded into my Ipod from the internet. The rest are from my cd collection I loaded onto my computer.

Tammy

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 20:58:18.
 08/11/2006 09:48:05 AM · #69
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Guess that went out with the digital age, but it sure as hell doesn't mean that we're ALL like that, or that we have to quietly accept it.

There are copyright rules for a reason. If no one enforces them, it will only get worse.


WE ARE ALL LIKE THAT!!! Odyssey, Yanko, the rest of you, post here and tell me you have purchased EVERY song that you have an MP3 of!


I have legally obtained every song I have an MP3 for, either by purching it online, ripping it from a CD that I purchased or downloading it as a free download from the artists themselves.

I resent the hell out of the fact that you would assume that I am a thief, and I imagine that others resent it as well. That's just rude.

You may be like that, and other may be as well, but EVERYONE isn't.

08/11/2006 10:00:11 AM · #70
Originally posted by PaulE:


I would still like to see the following 'deterrents':
- right click disabled
- 100% transparent image over the top of displayed images
- a clearly visible statement against image theft

None of these will stop the determined thief, but they should stop the vast majority of casual thieves.


I doubt that they would even do that. Plus I for one more than likely wouldn't have bothered joining this site if I had come to it to find the right mouse button "disabled", so that's lost business right there.

A copyright notice could be appropriate, so long as it was not emblazoned across images, especially during voting. My experience though is that people will take an image whether it is marked or not.

I think that what has to be considered when pondering over measures to prevent "theft" of images is that, in many cases, you are not preventing a theft that would otherwise be a sale, you are preventing a theft that would otherwise be a nothing. With that in mind, what you actually achieve when introducing anti-theft devices is inconvinience to the legitimate viewer.

Message edited by author 2006-08-11 10:02:58.
 08/11/2006 10:48:00 AM · #71
In this day of honour or not.... (I think it should be another thread but hey) ... I once paid 5.00 to order a leaf (from a flowershop) for a scavanger hunt contest, because I couldn't bring myself to pluck a leaf from the plants on public display. (Yes, flowershops can special order leaves who knew :-) )

I once refused my employer who wanted me to install software that we didn't have enough licenses for on my work machine. Even though I had to use other public domain software for two years, never mind upsetting my employer and owner of the company.

Now, I am not without sin, (weakness, blindspots, hypocrasy take the word you prefer) I have my own areas of weakness (boy am I glad that chocolate cookies don't grow on park trees). I simply try to be aware that I might fail, and try to avoid situations where that could occur and try to keep the habit of being honourable in my dealings with others. I figure if a bad habit can get you into more trouble, then a good habit can save you trouble.
08/11/2006 12:09:50 PM · #72
For me the issue is not the same as music. I honestly wouldn't be terribly upset if someone used one of my images as a wallpaper or such. It is when they claim it as their own to get credit or yet to sell it. I can't speak for my wife (the one whose image was stolen) but the putz that posted it on that site had no right to and claimed it as his own when uploading it. For the record she didn't go looking for it someone told her.

I don't go around trying to find out what people say about my children but if I find out I should do something about it.
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