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08/01/2006 05:18:04 PM · #1 |
Just a thought here.
Not sure if this has come up before, but the other day I was thinking...(step back in case of explosion)...
What if when voting on a challenge, the voter had two catagories to vote on?
One being photo quality and the other being adherance to challenge (aka Does or Does NOT Meet Challenge).
Make it a 1 to 5 scale for each catagory and then add the two numbers together to get your score. Not real sure how it would affect the overall average outcome, though. Might be kinda neat for people to see how their ideas of what does or doesn't meet the challenge measures up. Of course, it would mean 2 clicks to vote instead of 1 so it could cause mass riots in the DPC streets. :-P
This may be a ridiculous idea, but I was just thinking out loud and wondered what others might think. |
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08/01/2006 05:22:36 PM · #2 |
| I'd like that, I think I am a fairly decent technical photographer but I suck at artistry. |
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08/01/2006 05:27:15 PM · #3 |
| I think if you did that for it to have a significant change over the way the voting is now you'd have to weight each rating differently. |
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08/01/2006 05:37:15 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by bfox2:
I think if you did that for it to have a significant change over the way the voting is now you'd have to weight each rating differently. |
yeah, i'm thinking the only benefit at all might be that people can see how well dpc as a group thinks they meet the challenges. |
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08/01/2006 05:38:00 PM · #5 |
What if it was technical quality and artistic quality?
Edited for spelling
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 17:38:18. |
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08/01/2006 05:40:25 PM · #6 |
| If you do a search in the forums, you will find that this possibility has been brought up and shot down NUMEROUS times... |
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08/01/2006 05:42:04 PM · #7 |
I think there is a better way that still uses the same 1 to 10 scale. The problem is the people voting. Many people vote on emotion, many on technicals. Some people say pick out all their 10s, then 9s, then 8s, etc. There is no way to control how someone votes. And I don't think it is possible to educate everyone on exactly how to vote. Also, I think that voting on 300+ pictures and giving them an honest vote takes long enough picking a number from 1 to 10. If the voting process were harder and took longer then less people would vote.
You can, however, use statistics to see how an individual voted in a challenge on all of the pictures. That should form some type of bell curve. Use, that picture's position in the curve to then actually cast an actual value on the the picture.
Maybe too, using this method, the troll's, if they really exist, will have less of an effect on the final outcomes.
I am going to play around with some graphs and data to see if I can get some formula's together.
If anyone from the actual site is available, and it reading this, If I could get some voting data (in excel, asc, cvs, whatever) from an actual challenge, then I would greatly appreciate that.
I may not be exaplaining this too well but I will try to spend some time on it and write up a formal example.
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08/01/2006 06:07:52 PM · #8 |
Tony, are you thinking about normalising each voter's votes around the same mean and variance/standard deviation?
e.g. if the mean (average) of everyone's votes in a challenge was 5.6, and the average of my votes in that same challenge was 4.2, then all of my votes would get pushed up by 1.4 (more or less).
Or have I misunderstood you?
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08/01/2006 06:22:49 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by paddles:
Tony, are you thinking about normalising each voter's votes around the same mean and variance/standard deviation?
e.g. if the mean (average) of everyone's votes in a challenge was 5.6, and the average of my votes in that same challenge was 4.2, then all of my votes would get pushed up by 1.4 (more or less).
Or have I misunderstood you? |
Yes.
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08/01/2006 06:25:25 PM · #10 |
Gets too complicated then.
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08/01/2006 06:30:52 PM · #11 |
that would mean double the voting. with some challenges having almost 400 entries, that's 800 votes.
no thanks. consider the two together in your head and calculate it out of 10 if that's the way you'd like to approach it.
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08/01/2006 06:52:08 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
that would mean double the voting. with some challenges having almost 400 entries, that's 800 votes.
no thanks. consider the two together in your head and calculate it out of 10 if that's the way you'd like to approach it. |
No. A person would vote 1 time for each picture (or at least the minumum allowed to count).
The computer, when it's time to see the result, would calculate each peron's voting range to apply a number to each photograph. The people voting will not notice one difference. I don't know what the people who run the web site do to complete a challenge, but after more than 500 of them, they have to have it automated.
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08/01/2006 07:18:01 PM · #13 |
hmm, cool idea, but I think the voting works.
Think about it, you have a lot of people who vote technically and then a lot of people who vote emotionally... so your score reflects the average of both. Only thing is that you don't get to see the breakdown.
Maybe they could implement some of these voting ideas everyone keeps having, but have an option for voters on which voting system they'd like to use, and then just average all the scores together. Then you could see how many people used which system and the statistics for each. |
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