"On The Beach" DQ. Why? - DPChallenge Forums

07/31/2006 10:54:18 PM · #51

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by Prism:
Followed Brian steps using PSPX and managed to produce a similar result. The playing around with hues to get the colour out of the background involves adjusting it on various channels, not just the master channel, all applied to the whole image, no selections.

I don't know. Comparing your picture to the challenge entry, in yours, the girl's shirt is a lot less green and you have some yellow moss left on the rock face. The entry doesn't have the yellow moss on the rock face, and the girl's shirt is much greener.

I would really appreciate getting more precise steps, if nothing illegal was done, and I'd be more than happy to try and reproduce the final result again.

Ursula,

I assure you, nothing was done selectively to a single portion of the photo whatsoever. It was a rather quick editing job using the steps I provided. It's not even a matter of me wondering if i broke any rules, I know I didn't. Ricky almost got the same result as me only she didn't quite nail the hue adjustments. I'll redo the image best I can and note the exact hue adjustment numbers now.

Brian

07/31/2006 10:54:45 PM · #52

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Whether the effect can be achieved "legally" under Basic rules is largely an academic exercise if the actual techniques used turned out to be illegal.

I don't believe clarify can be use illegally. It's just one button, you click it and choose a strength from 1 to 5. No other options. How can that be illegal?

For what it's worth, there re all sorts of filters in PS that require a single click and a specification for strength of effect that are not legal in basic editing. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just that this is the way it is.

That effect that's coming off of "clarify" is fantastic, and I cannot legally duplicate it in basic editing with photoshop. Does this mean (and I've beaten this horse before, sorry) that my best bet for DPC editing is to invest in several different editing programs and choose the one that "automates" best for the particular image? This is already a problem with PS CS2 shadow/highlight tool, which is basically an automation of PS 7's contrast masking key commands, but shadow/highlight is "legal" in basic and currently contrast masking is not.

There are a lot of inconsistencies like this.

Regardless, it's a nicely processed image and I don't personally think it violates the spirit of the editing rules at all, so good luck with it. It's nice to see one of the "other" editors stealing a march on PS :-)

R.

I've gotten very similar results using clarify in PSP and levels in PSCS.

It it true (IMO) that different software is good at different things. For example, using levels in PSCS is a lot easier and better than in PSP. Same with USM. The highlight/shadow tool doesn't even exist as such in PSP. On the other hand, when it comes to colours I usually prefer to work in PSP, I think their colour adjustment tools are better. But I think a lot of that is opinion and what you're used to doing.

07/31/2006 10:55:39 PM · #53

Originally posted by btuck:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by Prism:
Followed Brian steps using PSPX and managed to produce a similar result. The playing around with hues to get the colour out of the background involves adjusting it on various channels, not just the master channel, all applied to the whole image, no selections.

I don't know. Comparing your picture to the challenge entry, in yours, the girl's shirt is a lot less green and you have some yellow moss left on the rock face. The entry doesn't have the yellow moss on the rock face, and the girl's shirt is much greener.

I would really appreciate getting more precise steps, if nothing illegal was done, and I'd be more than happy to try and reproduce the final result again.

Ursula,

I assure you, nothing was done selectively to a single portion of the photo whatsoever. It was a rather quick editing job using the steps I provided. It's not even a matter of me wondering if i broke any rules, I know I didn't. Ricky almost got the same result as me only she didn't quite nail the hue adjustments. I'll redo the image best I can and note the exact hue adjustment numbers now.

Brian

Would you please try to recreate what you did and send exact steps? I will un-DQ your image pending further review.

kjennings

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/31/2006 11:14:06 PM · #54

this is what i came up w/ in pselements..nowhere near as good haha

//jenningsk.googlepages.com/otbredo.jpg

07/31/2006 11:16:09 PM · #55

Originally posted by kjennings:

this is what i came up w/ in pselements..nowhere near as good haha

//jenningsk.googlepages.com/otbredo.jpg

But it's closer to the challenge entry.

07/31/2006 11:18:09 PM · #56

OK I just recreated it. Those of you with Corel Paint Shop Pro X can validate doing the same if you wish:

Open _MG_0826.JPG with Corel Pait Shop Pro X
Resize to 50%
Adjust/One Step Noise Removal
Brightness/Contrast/Clarify (set at 5.0) [I can't recall what number I originally used here]
Color/Fade Correction (set at 16) [I can't recall if I even used this originally, but I usually do so I'll apply here as well]
Hue & Saturation - Hue/Saturation/Lightness..
- Reds - Hue 9, Saturation 8, Lightness 0
- Yellows - Hue 15, Saturation -6, Lightness 13
- Greens - Hue 0, Saturation -21, Lightness 0
- Cyans - Hue 0, Saturation -13, Lightness 0
- Blues - Hue 0, Saturation -13, Lightness 0
- Magentas - Hue 0, Saturation 0, Lightness 0
Brightness/Contrast/Clarify (set at 3.0) [I can't recall what number I originally used here]
Curves - Channel RGB, Input 0, Output 0. I made a slight downward bend in the bottom left had square of the graph. [forgot I even used curves - my apologies]
Resize to 640 x 427 pixels
Adjust, Sharpness, Sharpen
File, Save As _MG_0826b.JPG

View my result here: //www.hardbread.com/_MG_0826b.jpg

(Not exact but pretty close)

Brian

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

07/31/2006 11:19:49 PM · #57

Originally posted by btuck:

Sorry guys the link should be //www.hardbread.com/_MG_0826b.JPG

coolhar

07/31/2006 11:21:30 PM · #58

I can understand why the image was questioned, it looks a lot like selective desaturation at first glance. But I have often achieved similar results when I am not doing any selecting.

As for clarify, I beleive that it is definitely a Basic legal tool. I have had images validated where it was used in Basic. In fact, I use it in most of my editing as a last step before I resize. There was a forum discussion some time ago where someone asked what it did, and kirbic replied that it was sort of a combination of sharpening and contrast. I don't think it is possible to use it in a selective way, it's a whole image tool, AFAIK.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

07/31/2006 11:26:38 PM · #59

Looks like it was un dq'd. Congrats...was one of my favorites in the challenge.

TooCool

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/31/2006 11:28:08 PM · #60

Originally posted by cloudsme:

Looks like it was un dq'd.

Believe me it still has to go through a step or two...

07/31/2006 11:28:36 PM · #61

Following your steps exactly in PSPX, I still can't get the same results as your challenge entry. I think we should keep this discussion private though, and work it out using the validation/ticket system.

TooCool

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/31/2006 11:29:19 PM · #62

Originally posted by ursula:

Thank you ursula!

07/31/2006 11:29:50 PM · #63

Originally posted by cloudsme:

Looks like it was un dq'd. Congrats...was one of my favorites in the challenge.

Thanks. It is un-DQ'd pending further review, which is all I really hoped to accomplish here. If nothing else I needed some clarification for further challenges. I appreciate all the work and concern you guys and the members of the SC have done for me on this matter tonight - regardless of the outcome.

Brian

At least I got a lot of Profile views tonight! :)

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/31/2006 11:30:44 PM · #64

Originally posted by ursula:

lets hire Art Roflmao as a part-time council for "advanced" post-editing cases - we all know what he can do with his editing! :p

07/31/2006 11:32:48 PM · #65

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by ursula:
Following your steps exactly in PSPX, I still can't get the same results as your challenge entry. I think we should keep this discussion private though, and work it out using the validation/ticket system.

lets hire Art Roflmao as a part-time council for "advanced" post-editing cases - we all know what he can do with his editing! :p

Yeah, he could fix this in no time :)

I'm so glad Brian is patient and didn't "go ballistic" over the disqualification.

07/31/2006 11:33:00 PM · #66

Oh My! Anyone else get my results??

OK Ursula, just tell me what you need from me. About to hit the hay shortly and won't have access to my file until about 6PM EST.

Thanks,
Brian

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

07/31/2006 11:33:57 PM · #67

Originally posted by btuck:

Oh My! Anyone else get my results??

OK Ursula, just tell me what you need from me. About to hit the hay shortly and won't have access to my file until about 6PM EST.

Thanks,
Brian

Tomorrow, if it's OK with you. I'm just beat tonight, and I have to quit.

MQuinn

Olympus OM-D E-M1

07/31/2006 11:36:24 PM · #68

btuck, you have alot more patence than I. If it was my image in question and I followed the rules to the T and got DQ... Im outta here man, thats the final straw, I was convicted without a crime. I hate cheaters, and would never cheat. But if I was convicted like you were without cheating... Im done with it Man.... Fairness works both ways...