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07/31/2006 06:57:49 PM · #526 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by Lozza:
No-one has ever died from betrayal. |
julius caesar? |
Ok, so maybe 1 person has died... ;P |
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07/31/2006 07:11:49 PM · #527 |
there is one other thing that i wish d&l would do when this type of stuff happens...
i think they should turn off all the counters on all the images of banned/suspended accounts. those images should no longer be able to show how many views and/or faves they have collected. those counts should be permanently reset to ZERO, so that they won't be able to show up on the most views and most faved pages.
just my opinion. |
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07/31/2006 07:14:20 PM · #528 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
there is one other thing that i wish d&l would do when this type of stuff happens...
i think they should turn off all the counters on all the images of banned/suspended accounts. those images should no longer be able to show how many views and/or faves they have collected. those counts should be permanently reset to ZERO, so that they won't be able to show up on the most views and most faved pages.
just my opinion. |
I disagree. The position in challenges is at question, not the quality of the images |
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07/31/2006 07:16:52 PM · #529 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by skiprow:
there is one other thing that i wish d&l would do when this type of stuff happens...
i think they should turn off all the counters on all the images of banned/suspended accounts. those images should no longer be able to show how many views and/or faves they have collected. those counts should be permanently reset to ZERO, so that they won't be able to show up on the most views and most faved pages.
just my opinion. |
I disagree. The position in challenges is at question, not the quality of the images |
well, i think that type of recognition is a reward, and i don't think people who've been banned or suspended deserve any rewards, regardless of the quality of their images. |
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07/31/2006 07:17:48 PM · #530 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by idnic:
The truth is we don't know jack. |
Actually, I know a Jack. He's actually a pretty cool guy but he hates clowns for some reason. :P |
I know a Jack too but he's not so cool, he's alright but that's about it.
Oh, can you all accept me now? Please???
Deannda
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07/31/2006 07:46:02 PM · #531 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Mistake...? ....................mistake?
I must be on a different planet because I see no mistake.
If he was aware of it then there was NO mistake. |
I agree. Here is an example of a "mistake". See if you can spot the difference.
After the first couple of days during the voting period in the Roads Challenge I kept questioning myself as to how I processed my image. I didn't pay attention to whether or not it was a basic challenge or a member's challege, so I kept wondering: "Did I dodge and burn in this basic challenge?" I honestly couldn't remember, but I did remember that I had listed all of my post-processing steps in the remarks section. I couldn't wait until the challenge was over to check those remarks to see if I had violated the basic editing rules.
Well, I had violated the rules and I contacted SC immediately to have the entry DQ'd. I was extremely embarassed and very self conscious that anybody might think that I was dishonest and trying to cheat.
That entry would be, to this day, my highest placing in a challenge. It landed in 6th place and would have ended up in 4th place after two other DQ's.
But, I had made a mistake. Now do you spot the difference? IT DIDN'T TAKE ME GETTING CAUGHT AFTER 40 CHALLENGES TO FINALLY SAY "I MADE A MISTAKE!!!!!
I'll spell it out a bit further. I couldn't remember if I had used spot editing or not in a basic challenge. When I confirmed that I did, I immediately said "I made a mistake."
If rikki hadn't been caught, he probably wouldn't have chosen today to admit his "mistake" and we might have been viewing another amazing Blue Ribbon of rikki's in the Gold Challenge on the front page this morning.
It's not a mistake to know that your entries, one after another, are being unfairly bumped up. The first time, O.K., a mistake....but not forty!!!
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 19:47:01. |
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07/31/2006 07:51:07 PM · #532 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by TommyMoe21:
I'm curious. Did these 30 people pay the $25 to become members or were all the challenges in question open challenges? Sorry if this was asked earlier. |
Open challenges.
I hear a lot of people guessin' about how this happened and what Rikki did or didn't do and what were his motivations. I wish everyone would stop and ask themselves "what details do we KNOW to be true" - the answer to that is NOTHING. We don't know about his relationships with the voters, we don't know how this started or how much he did or did not participate in their voting. The truth is we don't know jack. |
We know he cheated repeatedly.
We know the SC took action.
We don't know what was going through his mind when he cheated all those times, but there is a BIG difference in doing something wrong once and doing it over and over. |
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07/31/2006 08:05:47 PM · #533 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I have more insight than most people on this thread (but perhaps not everybody). I chatted regularly with Rikki. I spent 14 hours with him before and during the last Seattle GTG. I feel that I am at least a capable judge of character and I would be totally amazed if this was premeditated to the extent postulated on this thread. Rikki was very unlikely to be launching "feelers" with his ghost account thread. I remember the frustration he was feeling at that point. It may have been the cracking of pandora's box, but it was highly unlikely he had any inkling of what he was going to do before he posted that thread.
I also am starting to take umbrage at the posts who are throwing suspicions on multi-ribbon winners. Neither Drew, Landgon, SC, nor anybody else has uncovered evidence this is widespread. Perhaps I feel the eyes beating down on me extra hard due to my closeness with Rikki, but I think it is uncalled for. If you have an accusation, make it to SC and shut up. Heresay, conspiracy, and rumor are not our friends here and this thread has ventured down those paths more than a few times already with Rikki's methods or motives or other possible guilty parties. |
Since you seem to know Rikki personally, do you think he would tell you the complete story and let you post it? The only way to stop speculation is with the truth, and he is the only one who knows that. Not a story, not a defense, just what happened and why. |
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07/31/2006 08:36:22 PM · #534 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
i was kind of digging at this type of behaviour a while back when i posted a thread asking who people's 'friends' were here. then i asked if anyone saw each other's images/voted on each other and didn't get far with it.
i suspected things like this went on. it's a shame still. |
I remember that thread, and the generally cool reception it received.
Perhaps the biggest mistake was for this community to ignore, or dismiss cavalierly, the indications that something may be amiss when at least two (see pawdrix's post on page 11 of this thread) of us were trying to bring their suspicions forward.
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07/31/2006 08:43:42 PM · #535 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Perhaps the biggest mistake was for this community to ignore, or dismiss cavalierly, the indications that something may be amiss when at least two (see pawdrix's post on page 11 of this thread) of us were trying to bring their suspicions forward. |
it's really not something that needs to be discussed with the community at large. as has been suggested a number of times in this thread, if you have any suspicions of something untoward going on you should send them to the SC or the Admins via the Contact page. we read every ticket and take them quite seriously.
plus, the Admins are the only ones that have the ability to actually confirm or deny something is amiss, so discussing it in public does nothing but rally the pitchfork gang when there might be (and, most likely will be) no need.
we're not in the business of witch-hunting. that's not the purpose of this thread. but for us to lock it and let it fall off of the front page does a disservice to interested users who don't happen to log on every single day. there's also been a good wealth of community voicing going on here as well. |
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07/31/2006 08:43:54 PM · #536 |
I've read this entire thread and I feel dumber for having done such. 'Nough said.
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07/31/2006 08:44:43 PM · #537 |
Originally posted by Lozza:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by Lozza:
No-one has ever died from betrayal. |
julius caesar? |
Ok, so maybe 1 person has died... ;P |
and Jesus
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07/31/2006 08:45:37 PM · #538 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I've read this entire thread and I feel dumber for having done such. 'Nough said. |
I'm still on Chapter 10. |
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07/31/2006 08:52:21 PM · #539 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I remember that thread, and the generally cool reception it received.
Perhaps the biggest mistake was for this community to ignore, or dismiss cavalierly, the indications that something may be amiss when at least two (see pawdrix's post on page 11 of this thread) of us were trying to bring their suspicions forward. |
Harvey man, I'll ask you what I asked pawdrix when he approached me about his concerns.
Did you submit a ticket to SC?
The folks on SC are not telepathic. If a user brings a specific complaint to SC it's looked at. For these types of allegations drew and lang need to be involved since SC doesn't have access to the log files needed to address the issue.
If you think there's something rotten in Denmark- REPORT IT. I cannot stress this enough. Had pawdrix reported this when he originally suspected something, we have a very different outcome.
Part of your job in being a responsible member of the community is to tell SC if you think something is off. Your job isn't to evaluate the quality of the suspicion. You don't have enough access in most cases to make the call.
SC does. That's their job. Help them do it. |
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07/31/2006 08:53:17 PM · #540 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Perhaps the biggest mistake was for this community to ignore, or dismiss cavalierly, the indications that something may be amiss when at least two (see pawdrix's post on page 11 of this thread) of us were trying to bring their suspicions forward. |
it's really not something that needs to be discussed with the community at large. as has been suggested a number of times in this thread, if you have any suspicions of something untoward going on you should send them to the SC or the Admins via the Contact page. we read every ticket and take them quite seriously.
plus, the Admins are the only ones that have the ability to actually confirm or deny something is amiss, so discussing it in public does nothing but rally the pitchfork gang when there might be (and, most likely will be) no need.
we're not in the business of witch-hunting. that's not the purpose of this thread. but for us to lock it and let it fall off of the front page does a disservice to interested users who don't happen to log on every single day. there's also been a good wealth of community voicing going on here as well. |
I totally agree with what you've said muckpond. Suspicions should be brought to the attention of admins/SC in an offcial and private manner.
Nonetheless, the signs were apparent to these two members, they were brought forward, and the community failed to pick up on them.
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07/31/2006 08:53:38 PM · #541 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I've read this entire thread and I feel dumber for having done such. 'Nough said. |
I'm still on Chapter 10. |
The Readers Digest condensed edition, with special leather-bound cover, is due out any day. You may want to wait for that. |
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07/31/2006 09:12:32 PM · #542 |
| This is really sad, I believe is learning and the way we learn is from the mistakes that we do in day to day basis. I did submit two of my pictures and received very good feedback that is really helping me to keep up my work. I really appreciate the effort of Admin and other member of DPC to keep up the site clean. |
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07/31/2006 09:14:23 PM · #543 |
This is all very fascinating. I haven't been around long enough or involved in the forums as much as I would like to know all the players as others do. I will say this, there are a lot of very good photographers on this site. There are also a lot of beautiful and creative images in every challenge. Anytime someone betrays a "trust" it hurts everyone involved.
I have to believe that the vast majority of people on DPC are honest. And that belief alone will keep me here. I value the comments made on my entries and hopefully, someday, will know the feeling of winning a ribbon. I already know how happy I was to score a 7+ on a challenge, I can only imagine that finishing in the top 3 has to be 100% better!
My compliments to the SC and all the people at DPC for doing a wonderful job. It is very evident from the posts onthis thread that people care. I hope everyone can put this behind them and continue to make this the premier photosite on the web.
Jim
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07/31/2006 09:16:01 PM · #544 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by agenkin:
A thought like this passed my mind when his mushroom shot won a ribbon. As often as the voters' choice surprises me, the mushroom case was a bit too much to be believable. But I shrugged the thought off back then. Serves him right. |
the mushroom shot wasn't one of those that was affected by the ghost accounts. we have no one but ourselves to blame for that. |
if it is not affected, why is the mushroom shot removed and DQ'ed? Just a little curious. Thanks |
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07/31/2006 09:16:17 PM · #545 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
...the signs were apparent to these two members, they were brought forward, and the community failed to pick up on them. |
I don't recall any members suggesting we check out a particular person, and this may well be an isolated case. I still have faith in the overall integrity of our members. |
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07/31/2006 09:18:34 PM · #546 |
I read the first page and the last page, and I am still in shock. No matter if Rikki cheated or not, the photography speaks for itself. This person did not need to cheat.
I do feel truly let down, though. I have held Rikki in great respect and reverance. This type of thing really bothers me, though, because I wonder how many others may be doing similar tactics. I guess as time passes, the greatest offenders will be found out.
Great detective work on the part of the SC. I just wish we didn't have to have them do it at all. There is no need to cheat on this site. These are virtual ribbons, it is nice to see a ribbon on your page, but even so it is supposed to be a learning experience and fun. Anybody who does cheat must have a really low opinion of themselves, and their self-esteem must be non-existant. Trust me, I know, but I still wouldn't cheat. |
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07/31/2006 09:24:39 PM · #547 |
| It really makes you wonder why someone with all that talent wanted to cheat in the first place? VERY CHEESY! |
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07/31/2006 09:30:44 PM · #548 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by muckpond:
Originally posted by agenkin:
A thought like this passed my mind when his mushroom shot won a ribbon. As often as the voters' choice surprises me, the mushroom case was a bit too much to be believable. But I shrugged the thought off back then. Serves him right. |
the mushroom shot wasn't one of those that was affected by the ghost accounts. we have no one but ourselves to blame for that. |
if it is not affected, why is the mushroom shot removed and DQ'ed? Just a little curious. Thanks |
As mentioned earlier in this thread, that was simply an error in the script. It should be fixed soon.
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07/31/2006 09:38:22 PM · #549 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by Lozza:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by Lozza:
No-one has ever died from betrayal. |
julius caesar? |
Ok, so maybe 1 person has died... ;P |
and Jesus |
Ok, TWO then... but that's all. |
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07/31/2006 09:43:38 PM · #550 |
Originally posted by Lozza:
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by Lozza:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by Lozza:
No-one has ever died from betrayal. |
julius caesar? |
Ok, so maybe 1 person has died... ;P |
and Jesus |
Ok, TWO then... but that's all. |
Samson |
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