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07/31/2006 03:23:30 PM · #1 |
I'd like to see an additional challenge each week for members that uses the basic editing rules. Heck, it could even be the same topic as the advanced editing challenge that week.
Why?
I like that only members can vote on the members challenges. Not just because of the whole risk of voter fraud thing but also because I feel the members have more vested in the site and so therefore are more likely to think about their votes more carefully and comment more thoughtfully. I realize that's a bit of a generalization but still I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Why Basic?
Well there's a 2 fold answer to that. For one thing many people use this site as a learning tool and would like to perfect the "taking the picture" part of photography before really jumping into major post processing work. This would allow people to enter a challenge on a more level playing field yet still have the "advantage" of only getting member votes and comments.
The other reason is more of a selfish one, I'm disabled and rarely have the energy to shoot much less post process images. I love this site and am happy to be a member though. On the rare occasions I do have the energy to shoot something basic is usually the only real option for me.
I know it may not seem like a Basic Members only challenge would be much of an incentive for people to become members but I think you might be surprised. With all the talk of trolls etc. a system that is possibly only a marginal amount more fair could be very tempting to some people.
Something to think about anyway. |
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07/31/2006 05:21:08 PM · #2 |
| Seeing as my photography and my post prod is basic, I agree with a basic editing members challenge idea. |
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07/31/2006 05:25:23 PM · #3 |
but I wonder, you don't HAVE to use advanced editing in a members challenge?
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07/31/2006 05:28:22 PM · #4 |
| But if you don't you get slaughtered by those who do. |
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07/31/2006 05:31:16 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
But if you don't you get slaughtered by those who do. |
hmm sorry, I don't agree with you. Ok, I've used the extra rules, of course!
But when a photo in a members challenge is good when you're using the basic editing set of rules, why edit it extra?
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07/31/2006 05:33:17 PM · #6 |
Because there's always something you can do. And, from my experience at not being able to do it due to no photoshop, those things give an edge if done right.
Edited for spelling
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 17:33:41. |
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07/31/2006 05:36:01 PM · #7 |
I like the idea. I'll leave it to the SC to decide whether it's worth it, though.
Biteme, there's all kinds of differences, like being good at cloning, even for dust spots.
Another example is my current zen entry. I had some messy stuff going on with my background. A little cloning and boom - it's gone. Another example would be getting your background properly unfocused vs. just using a blur in post.
Or choosing your white balance and colors rather than just selecting them and changing at will.
A basic challenge forces you to do a lot more to get it right in the camera.
Note that I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they're sufficiently different that it could be interesting to have both for members.
I always assumed the advanced editing was used as an enticement to get people to pay up, so they could use those tools. |
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07/31/2006 05:39:07 PM · #8 |
| Then again, maybe I am just a below average photographer who should give up. |
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07/31/2006 05:48:10 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Or choosing your white balance and colors rather than just selecting them and changing at will.
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You can choose white balance in basic though no? (Though I still agree with a basic challenge) |
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07/31/2006 05:49:56 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
Then again, maybe I am just a below average photographer who should give up. |
Nah, you don't give up. Do what I do - strive to be the very best below average photographer you can be!
(And yes, I'm often delusional. It doesn't bother me at all.) |
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07/31/2006 05:52:00 PM · #11 |
Just a thought but I'm sure there have been many ribbon winners in members challenges that only used basic editing?
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08/01/2006 02:12:07 AM · #12 |
I know this is off topic but I haven't a clue where else to put it.
Is there a web site where people can post pictures, any pictures, not conforming to a challenge, and have them judged purely on technical aspects? Around here no-one seems to understand me - personal vent, maybe I'm just strange - and I'd like to get technical feedback, ie exposure, focus, etc. |
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08/01/2006 02:31:21 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by davyaldy:
I know this is off topic but I haven't a clue where else to put it.
Is there a web site where people can post pictures, any pictures, not conforming to a challenge, and have them judged purely on technical aspects? Around here no-one seems to understand me - personal vent, maybe I'm just strange - and I'd like to get technical feedback, ie exposure, focus, etc. |
usefilm.com is good for that. Mind you, you have to give to receive (meaning, comment a lot and you'll get a lot back). Paid members also have the opportunity to post their shots in a Critiquers Corner for "proper" feedback and not just the "nice shot" type.
Having said all that though, why can't you post your images here in the forums for feedback. There are oodles of talented folk who would give you an honest technical opinion.... |
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08/01/2006 02:41:19 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Just a thought but I'm sure there have been many ribbon winners in members challenges that only used basic editing? |
My only ribon was in advanced editing, all i did was clarify, slght level adjustment and crop.
(but im not a big fan highly edited images)
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=339124
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08/01/2006 03:14:08 AM · #15 |
I've had a lot of high finishers that could have been basic-legal if I'd wanted them to be. I have the easy way to get somewhere and the hard way; the easy way is advanced, the hard way is basic :-) Plus most of my advanced entries have the odd bit of cloning here and there, just because I can, but I doubt the score would have changed for most of them if I hadn't done it.
Robt.
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08/01/2006 03:18:50 AM · #16 |
I know it's possible to not post process much in Advanced and it is possible to do well but from what I have seen in the last year and a half it would be much harder to do.
The idea was to create a level playing field for members who don't want to / or can't spend much time on post processing for whatever reason.
There are 2 exclusive open challenges a week - why not 2 exclusive members challenges? a member would be alowed to enter 1 member and one open challenge each week. That way it wouldn't be any more of a burden (you wouldn't be pressured to enter another challenge) but you'd have more options. Just another member "perk" ;) |
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08/01/2006 03:24:26 AM · #17 |
| Maybe just try it for a week and see how it goes. This should be a very easy idea to try. If it bombs oh well, if it's a success then bonus! |
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08/01/2006 03:24:42 AM · #18 |
i like the idea very much this is a photograph site not a photoshop site!
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08/01/2006 03:47:11 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Maybe just try it for a week and see how it goes. This should be a very easy idea to try. If it bombs oh well, if it's a success then bonus! |
yeah, having an extra member's challenge this week might be a good and healthy distraction |
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08/01/2006 03:56:17 AM · #20 |
| I'd definitely be interested in seeing an additional member challenge, basic or otherwise. |
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08/01/2006 04:27:20 AM · #21 |
| What about a weekly, members only, NO EDIT except resize and border, challenge? |
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08/01/2006 04:35:40 AM · #22 |
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08/01/2006 05:21:16 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by ergo:
What about a weekly, members only, NO EDIT except resize and border, challenge? |
lovin' it :) |
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08/01/2006 05:23:55 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by ergo:
What about a weekly, members only, NO EDIT except resize and border, challenge? |
resize, rotate, crop and border would be a better set |
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08/01/2006 05:42:08 AM · #25 |
even better idea!
Message edited by author 2006-08-01 05:42:22.
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