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07/25/2006 10:33:09 AM · #101 |
Do you think that Canon, and Nikon, will ever go to in-camera stabilization? and anti-dust? Don't you think that these features have just as much appeal for serious/professional photogs as they do to first time DSLR buyers?
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07/25/2006 10:46:17 AM · #102 |
Although I have dust isssues with my 30D (300D and 20D are fine) I don't think so - especially in their high end pro model (D2x/1d lines) - it's something that can break and when (not if) it does you're out the camera body. I can lose a lens and keep working, but take my camera and i'm screwed.
It will also (the IS/VR bit) cut into their lens sales.
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07/25/2006 10:46:35 AM · #103 |
It's a good question coolhar. Only time will tell..
There are reasons that these brands do not go into on-body stabilization.
I wouldn't mind IS. I would definitely upgrade my 30D if the next incarnation had IS on-body... I don't think they will though because of all the expensive IS lenses... there are some reasons that some people prefer in-lens IS as opposed to on-body.. Azrifel earlier mentioned this in another related thread.
As to dust prevention, that would be pretty cool, but I would imagine that this would hit the top end cameras first.
I know that they already improved their mid-range and above with pixel mapping for hot and stuck pixels done in-camera...
Olympus was the first to really pioneer the anti-dust, and apparently at the same time, they were able to add pixel mapping at the same time... If they see it as related, it might happen...
I think that the strongest attraction for the two big boys (nikon and canon) is their whole system of cameras and lenses...
I kinda get the feeling that anti-dust isn't really as big a deal as we think it is for the big name pros... they probably carry multiple bodies to prevent switching lenses too much and shoot everything dust-sealed anyhow... Besides, they have a guy who photoshops their stuff for them... |
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07/25/2006 10:48:05 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do you think that Canon, and Nikon, will ever go to in-camera stabilization? and anti-dust? Don't you think that these features have just as much appeal for serious/professional photogs as they do to first time DSLR buyers? |
Why wouldn't they?
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07/25/2006 10:56:34 AM · #105 |
A couple of reasons that were mentioned by Azrifel and others were that lens based IS works through the viewfinder when composing and focusing... good for manual focus and autofocus... Also, AS at the sensor can increase heat which can increase noise....
I will note that the DPReview of the KM 5D indicated that there did not appear to be a noticeable increase in noise over the Nikon D50 which has essentially the same tech and spec at the sensor level.
Theoretically, it could though...
Theoretically counts for a LOT when dealing with fickle buyers... |
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07/25/2006 11:08:55 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
A couple of reasons that were mentioned by Azrifel and others were that lens based IS works through the viewfinder when composing and focusing... good for manual focus and autofocus... Also, AS at the sensor can increase heat which can increase noise....
I will note that the DPReview of the KM 5D indicated that there did not appear to be a noticeable increase in noise over the Nikon D50 which has essentially the same tech and spec at the sensor level.
Theoretically, it could though...
Theoretically counts for a LOT when dealing with fickle buyers... |
Theoretically, sure. However, I have yet to see a user complain about noise due to AS at the sensor. Up to 3.5 more stops due to AS, anti-dust, same sensor that is on the D200 plus EyeStart AF. Sure, they may not appeal to many pros out there today but if you can get just as much camera plus all these options (that can be turned off) for quite a bit less money, I think it deserves a serious look.
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07/25/2006 11:19:19 AM · #107 |
I use Minolta equipment professionally, I was really hoping that this Sony would fit my needs.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the fact that you have to turn a dial to ISO before you can change it is seriously bad news.
I've seen some reviews since then, and it looks like the noise levels are pretty bad at high ISOs. For what I do (gig photography), this means the camera is not useful to me. I may just buy a second hand Minolta 5D until Sony come out with a more high-end camera. |
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07/25/2006 12:10:46 PM · #108 |
I̢۪ve recently came across this review which is the first one to mention the Sony̢۪s anti-dust system performance. Also, they show some average results above ISO 400. It seems that Sony put more thought into marketing (check this interview with Mark Weir, Senior Product Manager) rather than really improving a KM camera. Btw, I don̢۪t understand why took them so long and it̢۪s not quite available yet (a sales guy at Sony Store told me that only pre-orders will be in before September).
Anyway, I have a feeling that Canon and Nikon are waiting for A100̢۪s release to drastically drop their prices on 30D, XT, D70 and D50. Even better for us all ;) .
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07/26/2006 11:07:45 PM · #109 |
anyone got a link where I could hear the shutter sound of the A100 anywhere? I read reviews that it sounds like it's muffled under water or something, and rather loud too. Curious.
The stores will have it in a few weeks, so I heard. |
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07/27/2006 07:27:40 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do you think that Canon, and Nikon, will ever go to in-camera stabilization? and anti-dust? Don't you think that these features have just as much appeal for serious/professional photogs as they do to first time DSLR buyers? |
Ask me that 6 months ago and the answer is no. As me now...
Yes. Not in their higher end bodies, but I expect to see it in their lower end bodies by end of next year. Why? Because as a sales person as a point in time I can't sell the virtues of image stabilization on the one hand (new point and shoot cameras) and then turn around and say you don't need it on the other (dSLR bodies). Now I'm not talking about high end users. This is strictly soccer moms and pops level. These people are not going to drop $800+ on a lens for their camera.
If they look at me and ask why Sony over Nikon, it's very very hard in good concious to steer them towards the Nikon when I know that the Sony AS is really a good deal more useful for them.
Remember, the next target on this market isn't us. It's the people who don't see the value in going to a dSLR. Anti-shake is a significant value.
Every major manufacturer now has entry level systems with shake tech in them. Nikon and Canon will have to consider it STRONGLY to be competitive. |
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07/27/2006 07:31:19 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by crayon:
anyone got a link where I could hear the shutter sound of the A100 anywhere? I read reviews that it sounds like it's muffled under water or something, and rather loud too. Curious.
The stores will have it in a few weeks, so I heard. |
I had my hands on it yesterday, didn't notice the shutter noise. The 20D/30D were both a lot noisier. |
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08/04/2006 01:34:19 PM · #112 |
| Another test on Sony̢۪s anti-dust system performance |
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08/08/2006 07:16:27 PM · #113 |
i was just wondering, has anyone bought this camera yet, its not in the equipment list here on dpc,
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08/12/2006 08:33:53 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by crayon:
anyone got a link where I could hear the shutter sound of the A100 anywhere? I read reviews that it sounds like it's muffled under water or something, and rather loud too. Curious.
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from DPReview:
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page5.asp
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyDSLRA100/Samples/Audio/a100_jpegraw-350d_jpegraw.mp3
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08/12/2006 08:43:00 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by accady:
Another test on Sony̢۪s anti-dust system performance |
So it actually doesn't work at all.
And even the olympus system has dust accumulating that it cannot shake off.
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08/12/2006 08:57:12 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by accady:
Another test on Sony̢۪s anti-dust system performance |
So it actually doesn't work at all.
And even the olympus system has dust accumulating that it cannot shake off. |
But just picture it "Sony's own form of dust reduction (by shaking the sensor at power off." Like a dog getting out of a pool. It's so cute.. |
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08/12/2006 09:05:24 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by accady:
Another test on Sony̢۪s anti-dust system performance |
This looks like a pretty silly test, but that's just IMO.
I'm more concerned about that high-ISO chroma noise seen in the DPreview article. It's bad enough on my Nikons as is.
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