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07/20/2006 10:56:29 AM · #1
Ok, I have a Canon 10D, and I've been laboring over choosing a wide-angle zoom. I think I have settled on the Sigma Zoom Super Wide Angle 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Autofocus Lens for Canon Digital SLR Cameras.

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Good choice?????
07/20/2006 11:16:30 AM · #2
It's wider than the tokina 12-24 and cheaper than the canon 10-22 - but it is slower than either. 5.6 at 20mm? The tokina is f4 (a full stop faster) and the canon is 4.5 (2/3 stop faster).

for landscapes it may never matter, but for interior shots it may be a big deal.

Message edited by author 2006-07-20 11:16:47.
07/20/2006 11:52:39 AM · #3
Hmmm, I've been considering this one too. The Canon is too pricy, I don't know enough about Tokina to trust them, and the Tamron has even worse apps.

Be interested to know what others think, too.
07/20/2006 11:54:44 AM · #4
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:

Hmmm, I've been considering this one too. The Canon is too pricy, I don't know enough about Tokina to trust them, and the Tamron has even worse apps.

Be interested to know what others think, too.


I have the Tokina 12-24 and use it on my 10D a lot. I love it. I'd go so far as to say it's my favorite lens of all the ones I own. Then again, what do I know. ;)
07/20/2006 12:09:28 PM · #5
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

It's wider than the tokina 12-24 and cheaper than the canon 10-22 - but it is slower than either. 5.6 at 20mm? The tokina is f4 (a full stop faster) and the canon is 4.5 (2/3 stop faster).

for landscapes it may never matter, but for interior shots it may be a big deal.


Why will it matter for interior shots??
07/20/2006 12:12:13 PM · #6
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

It's wider than the tokina 12-24 and cheaper than the canon 10-22 - but it is slower than either. 5.6 at 20mm? The tokina is f4 (a full stop faster) and the canon is 4.5 (2/3 stop faster).

for landscapes it may never matter, but for interior shots it may be a big deal.
Will the Canon 10-22 work on a 10D? I think not because it is an EF-S lens.
07/20/2006 12:12:44 PM · #7
Originally posted by pottersclay75:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

It's wider than the tokina 12-24 and cheaper than the canon 10-22 - but it is slower than either. 5.6 at 20mm? The tokina is f4 (a full stop faster) and the canon is 4.5 (2/3 stop faster).

for landscapes it may never matter, but for interior shots it may be a big deal.


Why will it matter for interior shots??


It won't... if you are using a tripod and your subject(s) are not moving. Otherwise, you will find that it will be difficult to get enough light to expose properly and keep shutter speed up far enough to avoid subject blur.
Flash is problematic with ultra-wides; it takes some work to make them cover such a wide angle.
07/20/2006 12:13:32 PM · #8
Originally posted by coolhar:

Will the Canon 10-22 work on a 10D? I think not because it is an EF-S lens.


You are correct, it will not work.
07/20/2006 12:17:08 PM · #9
So I read a review of the Tokina lens, and it said it had "CA problems." What is that??

07/20/2006 12:25:03 PM · #10
CA is chromatic aberration - shoto a backlit subject, like a winter tree against the sky, and you'll see purple fringing.

The canon 50 1.8 does this as well and no one complains about it.

I have not heard of that on the tokina though.
let me go look at some shots with the 12-24 and i'll see if i see any CA. (i borrowed the lens back in march)
07/20/2006 12:27:56 PM · #11
Originally posted by pottersclay75:

So I read a review of the Tokina lens, and it said it had "CA problems." What is that??


I have had no CA problems with my lens, fwiw.
07/20/2006 12:33:13 PM · #12
Well, here is what I will be using it for. I should have mentioned this first. I shoot for a local magazine, and lately we have been doing more and more stories on interior design. I have been shooting in alot of homes and apartments. I use a tripod and longer shutter speeds since I usually have to depend on available lighting.

I need to choose a lens that will serve me well when shooting these.
07/20/2006 12:37:08 PM · #13
On the CA front...
here are two shots, one wit CA and one without (F8 and 6.3 respectively), same place, time, etc.

I enlarged the CA issue to 100%, with the entire image as an inset.



As to the OP - since you are using a tripod then speed is not an issue.
07/20/2006 12:50:10 PM · #14
Prof, that's not actually CA... it's blooming, and caused by extreme overxposure of the background vs. the foreground. The key is that the fringe is magenta all the way 'round. With CA, you get fringes of complimentary colors on opposite facing edges.
The reason that is important to this discussion is that the blooming is not really a function of the lens. It tends to show up with fast lenses shot wide open in daylight, but that's only because that situation creates a perfect opportunity for the issue to show up.
07/20/2006 06:47:52 PM · #15
Originally posted by kirbic:

Prof, that's not actually CA... it's blooming, and caused by extreme overxposure of the background vs. the foreground. The key is that the fringe is magenta all the way 'round. With CA, you get fringes of complimentary colors on opposite facing edges.
The reason that is important to this discussion is that the blooming is not really a function of the lens. It tends to show up with fast lenses shot wide open in daylight, but that's only because that situation creates a perfect opportunity for the issue to show up.


First i've heard of blooming. Got an example of CA then? I've seen the 'purple fringing' a bit mroe wide open, but at f8 (as in my sample photo) i wouldn't have expected to see it.
07/20/2006 06:52:05 PM · #16
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by coolhar:

Will the Canon 10-22 work on a 10D? I think not because it is an EF-S lens.


You are correct, it will not work.


I have to me more carefull! in a moment of what can only be called madness I popped my 10-22 on the 1dMKIIn! yes, it fits but luckily I realised what I was doing before I tripped the shutter. It will fit but actuation will probably shatter the mirror
07/20/2006 06:53:17 PM · #17
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

I have to me more carefull! in a moment of what can only be called madness I popped my 10-22 on the 1dMKIIn! yes, it fits but luckily I realised what I was doing before I tripped the shutter. It will fit but actuation will probably shatter the mirror


why?
07/20/2006 06:53:17 PM · #18


Message edited by author 2006-07-20 18:53:25.
07/20/2006 11:02:50 PM · #19
Originally posted by biteme:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

I have to me more carefull! in a moment of what can only be called madness I popped my 10-22 on the 1dMKIIn! yes, it fits but luckily I realised what I was doing before I tripped the shutter. It will fit but actuation will probably shatter the mirror


why?


Because EF-S lenses are made so that the optics can get closer to the sensor in smaller frame digital cameras. In full frame cameras you might hear a crunch! lol.
07/20/2006 11:09:20 PM · #20
I love my sigma. Some days I have a bit of barrel distortion, but nothing I cant fix. Ive never had CA problems.
07/20/2006 11:10:23 PM · #21
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Prof, that's not actually CA... it's blooming, and caused by extreme overxposure of the background vs. the foreground. The key is that the fringe is magenta all the way 'round. With CA, you get fringes of complimentary colors on opposite facing edges.
The reason that is important to this discussion is that the blooming is not really a function of the lens. It tends to show up with fast lenses shot wide open in daylight, but that's only because that situation creates a perfect opportunity for the issue to show up.


First i've heard of blooming. Got an example of CA then? I've seen the 'purple fringing' a bit mroe wide open, but at f8 (as in my sample photo) i wouldn't have expected to see it.


Here's an example, not the best but the only one I can dig up at the moment... on the left is the full image, and on the right is a crop (200% magnification to make it easier to see).



Notice the cyan fringe on the RH side of the beams, and magenta on the left. This is true CA. BTW, the lens was the Canon 28-200 f/3.5-5.6. this is really minor CA, and mostly correctable.
07/20/2006 11:18:41 PM · #22
My brother has one on his D50 and I played with it tonight with my D200. It is sweet. I am going to get to borrow it for 2 weeks. I will post some pictures then.

He got it from Ritz camera for around $500.
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