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07/19/2006 10:41:47 AM · #1 |
Much has been said about how many images there are to vote on - I have a unique solution.
I have an entry in the Lines Challenge - I love it of course. It's obvious that you, the voting public, don't.
Give me the option of yanking it - killing it - putting it out of it's misery.
I don't need a week to know where this is going to end. I don't want anymore comments. Let me end it.
If the bottom 50% dropped out of a challenge after the first day of voting, there would be a, ummm, half as many images to vote on.
Elegant in it's simplicity, ain't it?
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07/19/2006 10:42:53 AM · #2 |
| LOL I like the way you think :P |
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07/19/2006 10:45:18 AM · #3 |
I completely agree...I have one in abstract that I'd love to completely disintegrate and forget that it was ever shot.
Strangely enough, the one I have in Lines, I thought was a MUCH MUCH MUCH better shot, but apparently the voters don't as of yet. It's only scoring slightly higher. hrmmmph |
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07/19/2006 10:47:55 AM · #4 |
i will dissagree ..
i've had shots that have moved from 5.0 -> 6.+ AFTER the first day
alot of people don't have exact impression of the images untill all are voted on (split or sorted) |
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07/19/2006 10:48:36 AM · #5 |
If the bottom half were dropped, then the second best quarter of the entries becomes the bottom half.
Would you be willing to get out of the competition is the score you had earned so far stayed with you and was included in your average?
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07/19/2006 10:50:48 AM · #6 |
| I had a shot that started in the low 4 range, yet finished with a ribbon. You never really know... |
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07/19/2006 10:51:14 AM · #7 |
maybe some more detail on what I'm thinking:
There is a link to remove an image from a challenge before the voting starts - just keep it there.
The image would be removed from voting, but remain in my portfolio - just like a DQ'd image - comments received and votes would remain intact.
It would still be a part of my permanent DPC record.
I'm not sad that my work isn't accepted, I'm certainly used to that by now - I just wanted some feedback. Once I get that why continue to kick the dead dog?
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07/19/2006 10:53:22 AM · #8 |
So if you discourage someone enough in the first day, they pull it and there's less competition for your photo? I can see the trolls getting a huge kick out of this. Voting low on day one becomes a strategy, essentially a psych-out tactic to see who you can get to fold.
Message edited by author 2006-07-19 10:54:27.
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07/19/2006 10:58:13 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by digitalknight:
maybe some more detail on what I'm thinking:
There is a link to remove an image from a challenge before the voting starts - just keep it there.
The image would be removed from voting, but remain in my portfolio - just like a DQ'd image - comments received and votes would remain intact.
It would still be a part of my permanent DPC record.
I'm not sad that my work isn't accepted, I'm certainly used to that by now - I just wanted some feedback. Once I get that why continue to kick the dead dog? |
It's not real clear but from "It would still be a part of my permanent DPC record." I assume that the score received so far would remain as part of your average. If you have to keep that low score, why would you voluntarily give up on the possibility that it will improve?
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07/19/2006 10:59:32 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I had a shot that started in the low 4 range, yet finished with a ribbon. You never really know... |
Seriously? wow! not that puts things into perspective. that must have been very exciting to see your score rise. much more though than to start off high and stay there. |
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07/19/2006 11:01:24 AM · #11 |
dropping the pictures after one day would lead to cutthroat tactics, imo. But, what if the voting on the first day was only open to members that had not entered the challenge? Would that give a resonable enough unbiased opinion to drop the bottom percentage off. Then open it to all voters the 2nd day?
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07/19/2006 11:02:28 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by jaded_youth:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I had a shot that started in the low 4 range, yet finished with a ribbon. You never really know... |
Seriously? wow! not that puts things into perspective. that must have been very exciting to see your score rise. much more though than to start off high and stay there. |
My Perspective shot almost had me in tears after the first few votes on day one, but it ended at with a quite respectable 6.0000 It seems lately that scores have been starting off very low and slowly climbing over the course of the week.
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07/19/2006 11:02:39 AM · #13 |
My experiences... no matter what happens, 99% of the voting are fare at the end...
Thick Skin is required here to enter any challenge...
...and above all, just have fun... good or bad, it's your work, whatever voter says, at the end it matters if you like your own work... if not, that means you have to do better...
:) |
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07/19/2006 11:03:22 AM · #14 |
I think it's a good idea. I have a photo in the "On the Beach" challenge and it's sucking rather badly. I thought it was a nice shot (like we all do with our shots). I really like the idea Jaded.
kopa21
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07/19/2006 11:04:45 AM · #15 |
I think a better idea is to form a Troll Patrol start gathering street address's and pay them a little visit at 3 AM with Baseball Bats. lol
on a serious side.
another option is show the persons name and the vote they gave in the photos comment section. This would at least help the general public figure out who the trolls are and would hopefully discourage some.
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07/19/2006 11:06:45 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
So if you discourage someone enough in the first day, they pull it and there's less competition for your photo? I can see the trolls getting a huge kick out of this. Voting low on day one becomes a strategy, essentially a psych-out tactic to see who you can get to fold. |
Exactly what my first thought was too. Inverse voting on day one where the trolls vote the highest as the lowest. And wait for the fallout. Day three revert all the votes and wait for more fallout from the ones artificially voted high. |
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07/19/2006 11:10:21 AM · #17 |
Although I enjoy the elegance of your solution, I am against it. Both of the pictures that I gave 10s to (and made favorites) in the Perspective challenge scored below 5. I'd hate to see my own favorites pulled from a challenge.
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07/19/2006 11:11:11 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by digitalknight:
Give me the option of yanking it - killing it - putting it out of it's misery. |
That option already exists. Users can ask to have their own current entry removed, but not if they've had a DQ within their last 25 entries or if there was illegal editing, etc. |
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07/19/2006 11:17:29 AM · #19 |
| focuspoint said what I was thinking... thick skin. When we put a lot of work in to a photo, it's tough to see it score low. But after loking at it for the week and criticaly assessing any comments and the score given, it's usually apparent why the score is what it is. In the end, a low-scoring entry often teaches me more than a high-scoring one. they're just not as much fun, LOL. |
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07/19/2006 11:27:04 AM · #20 |
I agree with this totally. With exception of my Lines Photo. Right now I feel like I am being mugged, I have 2 positive comments one I think is probably the best comment I have received to date. But my score says Hey this is just like all your other pictures the ones with all the constructive criticism comments.
This sort of result does not help build confidence. You get Kicked down you get back up you get kicked down again. Eventually someone holds out a hand to help you up or you just lay there and wait to die. lol
I am going to stick it out though because if what you are saying is true. this photo should sneak up and make my 1st top 10 appearence. If it doesn't I suspect I will go on a ranting rampage.
Originally posted by kirbic:
focuspoint said what I was thinking... thick skin. When we put a lot of work in to a photo, it's tough to see it score low. But after loking at it for the week and criticaly assessing any comments and the score given, it's usually apparent why the score is what it is. In the end, a low-scoring entry often teaches me more than a high-scoring one. they're just not as much fun, LOL. |
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07/19/2006 11:28:30 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
In the end, a low-scoring entry often teaches me more than a high-scoring one. they're just not as much fun, LOL. |
Bingo. I've now entered several challenges. The highest-scoring shot made me think "okay, I'm beginning to see how to use what I've learned."
All of the others made me think "okay, there's something useful in the comments to help me improve."
The same goes for my lines entry, which is scoring well anything else I've shot so far. It resulted from my low scorers. :)
Also, I'll tell you that my style is to comment on the low votes much more than on the high votes, at least during the voting. |
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07/19/2006 11:28:55 AM · #22 |
I hope people treat any and all voting here as simple communication and a pastime, a fun way to shoot photos and interact with people of similar interest. I see many people have even taken this numbers game to include teams and stuff..which is cool if that helps lighten the mood of putting a numerical value on abstract ideas.
I have never been an advocate of withdrawing photos, even if it meant a DQ. I think you play here and take what you get and learn from it. If that means a week of misery, relish the pain and learn from it. If it is a week of joy, bask in it and let it heal old wounds.
If we are going to have photo point averages and stats on this site..then the entrants should not be able to manipulate their averages. |
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07/19/2006 11:29:00 AM · #23 |
Posthumous - the images would still be in the DPC system, would still be included in your Favs -
As for trolls - for me to be worried about these would require me thinking that I had a shot at a ribbon - trust me that is not what I'm entering challenges for! In fact, a upper 4 to lower 5 score here seems to be what makes my images money makers. All of my best selling stock photos scored in that range here.
Hmmm, maybe with this implemented I could kill an image when it's in that range - thus ensuring stock success! but I digress...
So it's not a thick skin issue - my feelings aren't hurt. I obviously have very different taste than the voters - I'm fine with that. I just need to kill the update button and get on with my life on this one.
I don't want to send a request - SC has too much to do already - just give me a button so I can exercise either my artistic righteous indignation or simply withdraw from one battle to regroup to fight another day.
Oh, and don't tell me that I can turn off the update button in preferences - that doesn't count because it's still THERE - know what I'm sayin? Just because I can't see it doesn't mean it's still not THERE - calling me...
Message edited by author 2006-07-19 11:32:06.
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07/19/2006 11:32:57 AM · #24 |
Letting the trolls out of the equation for the moment. It is natural that the initial votes are very low, after you have seen more and more shots and you are able to compare them you start moving your own parameters to cast the following votes. So this makes difficult to judge in one day the overall performance of your pictures.
So put on the thick and oily skin cover and resist till the end ;)
Anyway taking pictures must be fun for you, recognition will come eventually and if not, the important thing is to be happy with your own progress. I say this when feeling I'm really falling behind many of these guys!!! postprocessing course is of the essence!!! |
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07/19/2006 11:42:01 AM · #25 |
I agree with this too, I do this every challenge that I vote on. I always go back and make adjustments after I have looked at all the photos. But on more than one challenge I have voted a 10 for a photo then see another that I think is a better photo I will then give that a 10 and switch the first 10 to a 9 only to see the one I gave a 10 the first time around get a ribbon and the other not even make the top 10. Sorry for the Chrissy Snow wording,,
Originally posted by ivaldovi:
Letting the trolls out of the equation for the moment. It is natural that the initial votes are very low, after you have seen more and more shots and you are able to compare them you start moving your own parameters to cast the following votes. So this makes difficult to judge in one day the overall performance of your pictures.
So put on the thick and oily skin cover and resist till the end ;)
Anyway taking pictures must be fun for you, recognition will come eventually and if not, the important thing is to be happy with your own progress. I say this when feeling I'm really falling behind many of these guys!!! postprocessing course is of the essence!!! |
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