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 04/10/2003 02:21:37 PM · #26
Originally posted by Damitriel:
Sher9204, don't take it personally.

But to be honest, a lot of people are afraid of Americans. Now all short sighted people are thinking this war is a great success, what will stop the U.S. from bombing the hell out of the others that make up the "axis of evil"???
This action has taken away all the power form the "policeman" or united nations as we liked to call it. The nations are not so united anymore. And the U.S as only remaining superpower is supposed to tell the rest of the world what to do...
Too bad they fail to see that while the danger of the sovjet-union seems to be gone, there are still some major players left who are now equally free to do as they please.
Who is gonna stop China from attacking Taiwan? How will the other Arab nations react? What are the Russians going to do? Will India or Pakistan use their weapons of mass destruction? Can mainland Europe stay out of this mess?



noooo...i don't take it personally...just joking around. i love a good debate!
 04/10/2003 02:21:52 PM · #27
Originally posted by Geocide:
Well is it a complicated situation, I suppose the question we must examine is: What lands to we(US) control and have the right to control.

I may not like the way the house down the street is run, but does that give me the right to change that regeime? ...even if there is abuse going on.


I would think it is your moral obligation to. But then again, I am an ER RN and get to be the one who sees the aftermath of such situations, when it is ignored. From black eyes, to bullet holes, to skull smashed to pieces with a claw hammer. Pretty sight, huh? Now there are many people involved here, police to medical to social work.
this pretty much goes the same with all the different countries mentioned here. You have to start somewhere, and sometimes other people are needed to help "clean up." Some people and countries obviously need policed, then when something happens...we need the backup support of all these others. Right now the US is the police (among medical and social), and there are a bunch of medical and social (humanitarian) coutries that will pitch in for that but not the war part of it. Everything/one has its place.
 04/10/2003 02:46:58 PM · #28
Badpigg: So,do nations have the right to say "I don't want to clean up your mess"?
Powell has just told my government Holland has to play an important role in rebuilding Iraq. Maybe it's because we are good a rebuilding: we build an harbour for the palastines and the Israeli's came to see how good we are at rebuilding
(Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with common Israeli's or Palastines)

Remember that this conflict started over weapons of mass distruction that pose a threat to the US and other country's like Israel, and not the suffering of the Iraqi's. The U.N. was looking for proof of weapons of mass distruction. And the US became impatient and came with proof of their own. But the US failed to point out to the inspectors the exact location. Then Bush started a war to get hold of this weapons -which still have to be found- and in the process the Iraqi people are "liberated" so now everybody forgets what this was all about.

Iraq fired several scuds on Israel during operation desert storm. Why did Sadam didn't fire any scuds on them now? Why didn't he used his poison gas rockets this time? Maybe because they are gone, maybe they are gone because of U.N inspections?

Message edited by author 2003-04-10 14:48:50.
 04/10/2003 03:10:12 PM · #29
Thought I would put this one on this rant...sent from my brother in the US Navy.

Martin Savidge of CNN, embedded with the 1st Marines near Baghdad, was talking with 4 young marines near his foxhole live on CNN. He had been telling the story of how well the marines had been looking out for and taking care of him since the war started. He went on to tell about the many hardships the marines had endured since the war began and how they all look after one another.
He turned to the four and said he had cleared it with their commanders and they could use his video phone to call home. The 19-year-old marine next to him asked Martin if he would allow his platoon sergeant to use his call to call his pregnant wife back home whom he had not been able to talk to in three months. A stunned Savidge, who was visibly moved by the request, nodded his head and the young marine ran off to get the sergeant.
Savidge recovered after a few seconds and turned back to the three young marines still sitting with him and asked which one of them would like to call home first. The marine closest to him responded without a moment's hesitation. "Sir, if it is all the same to you, we would like to call the parents of a buddy of ours, Lance Cpl. Brian Buesing of Cedar Key, Florida who was killed on 3-23-03 near Nasiriya to see how they are doing."
At that, Martin Savidge totally broke down and was unable to speak. All he could get out before signing off was, "Where do they get young men like this?"
The answer, Mr. Savidge, is: the same place we got them for WWI, WWII, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War, and Gulf War I. They come from the heart of America.
 04/10/2003 05:52:39 PM · #30
Originally posted by lisae:
I can just see the family across the street.

"Daddy, why did the boy over the road spit on me?"

"Because, son, his father has this idea that the man a few doors down from us is about to kill his wife. I asked him to prove it, but he said he just knows it and I should shut up. He asked me to help knock the man's door down and drag him out and kill him. I refused, and now he's calling me a cheese-eating surrender monkey."
"I don't like that man daddy."

"No son, neither do I, but he has a mighty big gun."


Nicely said lisae!

Now that the war is supposedly over ..(im not entirely sure as the amount of iraqis celebrating wasnt to convincing for a city of 5mil)

However usa should leave iraq if they claim thier intentions was to liberate then leave and stop the usa contractors from buliding more oil fields and let the UN take over and the rest of the world can rebuild and let the iraqis control THIER oil and THIER country.

There certainly isnt a shortage of countries offering help

I think it will become clear what most of the world already knew, what usa's intentions were.

Message edited by author 2003-04-10 17:56:36.
 04/10/2003 11:49:57 PM · #31
I'm afraid of Americans too. And I am one.
 04/11/2003 12:30:36 AM · #32
Originally posted by kiwiness:
Chris123, I am a New Zealander and I feel very insulted by your remarks about my country. Would you mind keeping such comments to yourself please, thank you.


Uh no, I won't keep my comments to myself. In case you haven't heard, free speech is allowed and always will be. Listen, the FACT of the matter is, MOST New Zelander's have nothing good to say about America and I know this for a fact... Like I've said I have knowledge that you can't deny about the subject. So if you do have something to say that's good or aren't an American-hater like Hoogie, just say so. But if you don't, then don't complain when I have nothing good to say about your country. Get the flow of things now? :)
04/11/2003 12:37:53 AM · #33
cmon drew warned everyone...seriously i have enjoyed reading every post since i quit spending all day talking about it. but i don't want to see these threads die because they are really interesting. stop the name calling for the sake of my enlightenment
 04/11/2003 12:50:00 AM · #34
Originally posted by Hoogie:
Now that the war is supposedly over ..(im not entirely sure as the amount of iraqis celebrating wasnt to convincing for a city of 5mil)


People like you are never convinced because of your deep-rooted hatred towards the US. If the whole city was out there dancing, you'd ask "well where are the people from the other cities in Iraq? Why aren't they out there also?". It's just "a big American lie" to you isn't it.

Originally posted by Hoogie:
However usa should leave iraq if they claim thier intentions was to liberate then leave and stop the usa contractors from buliding more oil fields...


I agree with this. We won't stay longer then we have to.

Originally posted by Hoogie:
and let the UN take over...


Never happen... The UN countries are cowards and there's no way that the US is going to take all the risk and then let those commi-countries control ANYTHING aftwards. So don't even think that it will happen.

Originally posted by Hoogie:
...and let the rest of the world can rebuild and let the iraqis control THIER oil and THIER country.


Absolutely, I agree with this. That will happen and Bush has said it will happen.

Originally posted by Hoogie:
I think it will become clear what most of the world already knew, what usa's intentions were.


No Hoogie, YOU seem to know yourself, maybe because you have a crystal ball? Or you indeed have no crystal ball, could it instead be because you are simply a synical pessimist who hates America? :) Think about your motivations and REALLY where they come from.

Message edited by author 2003-04-11 00:53:40.
 04/11/2003 12:58:30 AM · #35
could not help myself... hehe

Mag, your right we do need to do something about other dictators, and I hope we will ... one at a time...

lisae, your analogy is completely irrelevant to this entire discussion ... in your story you asked for proof of the killings.. in the real story both in the boys world and Saddam's world the proof is fact... and the fact is Saddam's regime has raped, slaughtered, tortured and brutalized over 500,000 people (not to mention the millions he has ruled with fear and brutality) ... and that is a fact.. making such an anology as you have is completely horrifiying and diminishes the value of the lives of those that have died. ...I hear people whining about casualties of this war.. (check out the stories about wounded civies telling the troops they understand) yes some civilians have died, and those of us in favor of this action to oust Saddam have repeatedly acknowledged the casualties... we don't hide from that side ... but somehow every time you talk about this, you seem to hide and forget about the other side, the bad side ... as I see it the score is Saddam: 500,000 dead and 20 million living under a dictator ... and the US maybe 1000 dead and 20 million+ free to now build a government and country of their own choosing, just as France and the others did when we freed them from oppression ... sure is convenient how you and others against this seem to forget about the bad side.. that suggests your only using this situation as a chance to attack those who are in direct conflict with the left wing agenda ... the UN agenda ... otherwise you would not continue to ignore the facts....

damitriel, we do more for this world and give more aid to this world than any other nation.. we are the most benevolent and just nation on earth ... there is absolutely no arguing this fact ... because it is fact ... but we can not do everything ... we expect other nations to pitch in and help.. don't be a freeloader.. unfortunately much of the population of our our allied nations are socialists that expect their government to take care of them.... how about we pull back the billions in aid we give to nations around the world and watch them go the way of the dinosaur? that'd be great huh? what do you expect us to do, everything? for everyone nation? many countries get a greater percentage of their oil from Iraq than we do ... better access will help a lot more people in this world than us ... heck we buy more oil from Venezuela than Iraq.. Iraq is like 6th on our list, and all of that oil lately has been bought with food ... we could lose all the oil from Iraq and not even blink.. our reserves and other sources of purchase would easily cover it...

anyway, the UN lost it's right to have a say in this matter when they waited around for twelve years and did nothing ... this is a coalition matter now ... the UN will get a part in this as the coalition allows ... for now they can go back to sipping their wine and eating their cheese ... the UN is not the one world government so many want it to be ... they are just a bunch of bureaucrats that don't do much more than talk; and when they do make a decision they make bad decisions... lol Libya as leader of the human rights commission.. what a joke! as for building more oil fields, what's wrong with that? more oil for the world, not just us ... and that oil belongs to the Iraqi people.... once we help get things under control they will make their own democracy, a democracy of their own chosing.. and as things get under control, we will leave ... when we do return it will be as honored guests ... I think these people will not forget like others in this world we have liberated ... we don't control them ... they have their own governments now, and some of them do not agree with us on many issues.. right now all I hear is just a bunch of Anti-American propaganda...

Message edited by author 2003-04-11 01:00:17.
 04/11/2003 02:00:02 AM · #36
I have a honest question for you all: Is it the US's right to conquer any regeime it feels it should? And where are the limits of our power? Ethically. It really is difficult to not think of the roman empire.

Message edited by author 2003-04-11 02:00:35.
 04/11/2003 03:39:43 AM · #37
Originally posted by Geocide:
I have a honest question for you all: Is it the US's right to conquer any regeime it feels it should? And where are the limits of our power? Ethically. It really is difficult to not think of the roman empire.


If I recall, the Roman Empire continued to RULE over everything it conquered. If this is true for the US...Germany and Japan should be a long distance call and not international. WOOHOO!!!

Message edited by author 2003-04-11 03:40:21.
 04/11/2003 03:55:14 AM · #38
good old, well-written, propaganda.
 04/11/2003 04:25:06 PM · #39
It's so sad, most of them are really thinking the US is doing the iraqi people and even the world a favour. If victory will really come this fast it will only mean they went in too early, and the Iraqi's would probably have get rid of their regime in this year anyway.
Before the first US soldier set foot in Iraq it was obvious that most of the Iraqi army was not very willing to protect Sadam anymore.
The Iraqi people tried to get rid of Sadam before. This was in 1991, but they failed because they received no help from the coalition(including the US) who just won the first gulf war. The sad thing is that the son of leader of the men who started this uprise -a man who was named as a possible new leader of Iraq after this war- was killed yesterday.

I would also like to point out that there is a difference between being against this war and being anti-american. My critique on america is inspired by the "U.S. against the rest of the world" attitude shown by people like ChrisW123. Who thinks we are all commies, who are not helping people in need because we rather eat our cheese and drink our wine. As I pointed out in my other post's this is not the case. In fact my neighbour who is in the Dutch army is leaving for Kabul next week. For your information: the mess that was left after the bombing in Afghanistan takes a long time to clean up.

Rumsfeld said: "Holland is a small and very insignificant country on world scale -so they must not think it matters to us what they have to say- ". So when such a small and isignificant country does something a little bit important it's normal that such a huge and extremely powerfull superforce like the US is not going to notice...
It's a good thing there are also people like Collin Powell who think before they speak or at least know what they are talking about.
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