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 07/13/2006 11:45:53 PM · #26
Originally posted by dwterry:
These are examples of what I mean by formals... these were taken a couple of weeks before the wedding and then displayed at the reception:

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Please forgive my many dumb questions, but, why would anyone want to have their wedding pictures displayed at their own wedding? Wouldn't they be wearing the same stuff, so people can see them in real life rather than in a picture?
 07/13/2006 11:47:29 PM · #27


I went for more of a true canvas effect, just another take for you to peruse! :)
 07/13/2006 11:48:35 PM · #28
Originally posted by ursula:
Why do you want to do a painterly effect here?


I suppose you've asked a very pertenent (sp?) question here. Why? I don't know... it just seems like doing so would add emphasis to the bride.

But I'm starting to wonder... maybe it's because of her size in relation to the image itself. In other words, as a headshot (i.e. fill the frame with just the head), maybe a painterly effect works better than at this size where the facial features will easily get lost in the distortion.

But what about programs like PaintShop Pro? Or Corel Painter? Do they do a better job of achieving this effect?
07/13/2006 11:50:41 PM · #29
Originally posted by ursula:
Please forgive my many dumb questions, but, why would anyone want to have their wedding pictures displayed at their own wedding? Wouldn't they be wearing the same stuff, so people can see them in real life rather than in a picture?


Well... uh... gee... I never thought of that. You DO ask great questions! :-)

BUT ULTIMATELY, these pictures are going to be hanging on their living room wall or some place like that, right? I mean, they are generally 11x14" to 16x24" in size with a nice frame and all.

07/13/2006 11:52:00 PM · #30
Originally posted by L2:


I went for more of a true canvas effect, just another take for you to peruse! :)


See, now that's kinda cool, without destroying the image.

I hadn't considered that step for editing mainly because when I go to print, I'm going to be printing on canvas anyway, so it will already have a textured effect. This was a nice preview of what it will look like though!
07/13/2006 11:55:00 PM · #31
I used PSP. Essentially I created a copy layer, lightened it with a sharp curve upwards to all channels, gaussian blurred this copy layer, erased portions (face, shiny parts of the dress, arms, flowers) in this copy layer, then blended in normal at 50%. Then I merged the two layers. Created 1 more copy layer. Ran background layer through salt and pepper (3/5, that's sort of medium for a small image), ran top layer also through salt and pepper (heavy, 5/8, set to intense or whatever it is called). Erased same face/dress/flowers areas as before, and merged.

The salt and pepper filter in PSP if applied heavy enough has the effect of really taking out detail, which lends itself to make images look sort of like watercolours, especially if you add a sharp outlining layer to give a bit more definition or containment.

Still, couple times I've tried printing these experiments, I didn't much like them. They never look like the real thing, that is, like a real painting or watercolour. I think it is because it is too even, whereas real paintings just have a lot more character.
 07/13/2006 11:55:42 PM · #32
Take two...



(changed to little image - large images don't work for many users)

Message edited by ursula - changed image to thumbnail link.
 07/13/2006 11:59:05 PM · #33
Is this more what you're looking for?

07/13/2006 11:59:11 PM · #34
Originally posted by deapee:
my bad

Sorry, wasn't putting your edit down at all, just expressing my opinion.
 07/13/2006 11:59:27 PM · #35
Originally posted by ursula:
I used PSP. They never look like the real thing, that is, like a real painting or watercolour. I think it is because it is too even, whereas real paintings just have a lot more character.


Good point. I think that also helps me answer your earlier question... I can't paint (or even draw a straight line for that matter) and so the thought of being able to somehow produce a "painting" from a photograph intrigues me. I guess I want it to look more like a real painting though.

Back to your question about the B&G having a picture of themselves displayed at the wedding ... and why would they do that? I was asking my boy that. We both started laughing. So why would ANYONE want their picture taken?!? I mean, you can see them standing right in front of you... Anyway, he had to comment on how much he really likes your work. (he's only 14 so you know you're making a big impact here!)

07/14/2006 12:01:19 AM · #36
Could you post some examples of other pictures with the effect you want?Cause I'm having a hard time imagining it.
 07/14/2006 12:01:56 AM · #37
Originally posted by Bosborne:
Is this more what you're looking for?



Yes and no.

It could be the size. If anyone would like a larger image emailed to them (say 1200x1800) to see if that makes the painterly effect easier, send me email.
07/14/2006 12:02:06 AM · #38
It's been fun using almost every filter there is ;)
 07/14/2006 12:03:11 AM · #39
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by ursula:
I used PSP. They never look like the real thing, that is, like a real painting or watercolour. I think it is because it is too even, whereas real paintings just have a lot more character.


Good point. I think that also helps me answer your earlier question... I can't paint (or even draw a straight line for that matter) and so the thought of being able to somehow produce a "painting" from a photograph intrigues me. I guess I want it to look more like a real painting though.

Back to your question about the B&G having a picture of themselves displayed at the wedding ... and why would they do that? I was asking my boy that. We both started laughing. So why would ANYONE want their picture taken?!? I mean, you can see them standing right in front of you... Anyway, he had to comment on how much he really likes your work. (he's only 14 so you know you're making a big impact here!)


Well, tell him "thank you very much!"

True about that, having pictures taken I mean. I always thought it was for the relatives far away, and for memory. Oh well. What do I know. One of these days our children will get married (my husband and I hope they will) and then we'll find out.
 07/14/2006 12:03:44 AM · #40
google painterly and you can see ideas and descriptions. Basically the important parts have high detail and the less important parts have less detail. The eye is drawn to the detailed part.
 07/14/2006 12:04:10 AM · #41
FWIW, David, whichever direction you do choose to go with this photo, I really think you should clone on the distracting chandeler (sp?). It would have been fine, IMO, if you have include more of it - but as it is now it just seems to detract from the image.

I really like Roxanne's edit because she's darkened the surrounding room and cloned out the chandeler to emphasize the bride more.

Roxanne's (greatandsmall)

Message edited by author 2006-07-14 00:09:07.
 07/14/2006 12:12:52 AM · #42


How about this?
 07/14/2006 12:16:10 AM · #43
Originally posted by moniepenny:
Could you post some examples of other pictures with the effect you want?Cause I'm having a hard time imagining it.


Good question!

Okay, I went looking through the comments that *I* have left here on DPC (where I said the image looks like a painting) and I think this is the best one:



Here are a couple more:

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07/14/2006 12:19:05 AM · #44
Those do not look anything like paintings.
 07/14/2006 12:27:23 AM · #45
Still trying, how about this one:

07/14/2006 12:28:31 AM · #46
Originally posted by mandyturner:
Those do not look anything like paintings.


I agree with you there.

The examples posted in this forum look more like painting then they do!
 07/14/2006 12:28:40 AM · #47
Originally posted by mandyturner:
Those do not look anything like paintings.

They do to me, for the most part. Especially "Renaissancesque."
 07/14/2006 12:29:01 AM · #48
Originally posted by mandyturner:
Those do not look anything like paintings.


LOL Okay, so now you know ... I'm crazy. No wonder nobody knows what I'm talking about.
07/14/2006 12:29:41 AM · #49
Originally posted by ursula:
Still trying, how about this one:



I like this one - a LOT. So what's the process for this one?
07/14/2006 12:31:05 AM · #50
I think the three examples look like paintings but not so much because of the treatment, but because of the setup (the pose, the colour). In other words, not because they are made to look like paintings, but because they remind us of certain paintings (or painters).
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