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07/02/2006 12:03:31 AM · #1 |
What's tasteful to some may not be to others, so, is their a line? I took some nude shots that in my opinion are very well done and very tasteful. But how do I know how they will be perceived?
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07/02/2006 12:08:02 AM · #2 |
| How do you know? Well... I'm not sure. Maybe there are some guidelines that people more knowledgeable than me could give you - but you never really know how people will react. I'm sure that what one person would consider art, another would consider porn. |
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07/02/2006 12:10:10 AM · #3 |
You just said it yourself, there will never be a single consensus for your shots because everyone's "line" rests on a different plane. So how do you know you will be well perceived? You don't.
Message edited by author 2006-07-02 00:10:38. |
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07/02/2006 12:26:29 AM · #4 |
Message edited by author 2006-07-02 01:05:17. |
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07/02/2006 01:06:01 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Bullie:
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what makes that shot art? if you don't have an answer to that question, if you are shooting nudes for the sake of shooting nudes, then it is probably porn.
Message edited by author 2006-07-02 01:07:02. |
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07/02/2006 01:11:33 AM · #6 |
My personal opinion, and I'm probably wrong... but I think art should be something that makes you think, something you'd want to look at and wonder about or admire for the sake of art, something you might hang on your wall.
The shot you posted is a shot that the model would probably be proud of, and it showed some creativity... but seemed more a bodiour shot than art.... something she would keep to tease her husband with more than something that would hang above the fireplace.
Ya follow me?
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07/02/2006 01:11:53 AM · #7 |
There is no line. Some people thing anything like that is 'porn' and others think all of it is fine art. There are some who are inbetween. The line is where you put it.
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07/02/2006 01:13:10 AM · #8 |
PS - is that model aware that you shared her image online?
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07/02/2006 01:13:46 AM · #9 |
| Just to confuse the matter further, I believe that porn is a genre and art is something more, I recently saw it defined as an "institution" along with religion and science. Therefore it is possible to be both porn AND art. |
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07/02/2006 01:29:00 AM · #10 |
In my humble the opinion.. If the photographer has the intent of the arouses of sexual desire then it's porn. My purpose would be to show the beauty of the model and surrounding..
idnic
"PS - is that model aware that you shared her image online?"
lol - The model is sitting right next to me, so that would be yes...
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07/02/2006 01:38:47 AM · #11 |
"seemed more a boudoir shot"
I'm picking up what your putting down, even thou you couldn't see anything, it may have been the pose(?) The look(?) I don't know what it is but I just can't seem to get it right... I intend for it to be one way but it comes out different then I want.. |
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07/02/2006 01:44:31 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bullie:
lol - The model is sitting right next to me, so that would be yes... |
:D Hi! Was just checking, ya never know ya know! heheeee
Try some shots with softer light, even mostly dark with light only grazing the curves - or a portrait-type shot with down-cast eyes (when eyes are away from the camera, it allows the viewer to view the entire image more comfortably, so feels more art-ish). Just a couple of thoughts. But seriously, the best improvements I've made in photography were made by trying to emulate they "feel" of another's work. Do some web browsing and find some shots you'd both like to try together. :)
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07/02/2006 01:52:26 AM · #13 |
"down-cast eyes (when eyes are away from the camera, it allows the viewer to view the entire image more comfortably, so feels more art-ish"
Wow, now that made perfect sense.. Many good points and some great tips.. Thank you!!! |
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07/02/2006 01:56:25 AM · #14 |
Once again the porn/art debate :-)
There is no line. The distinction is made solely by the viewer.
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07/02/2006 02:42:55 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Bullie:
In my humble the opinion.. If the photographer has the intent of the arouses of sexual desire then it's porn. |
What about when I show a shot and my intent is to make the viewer feel alone and desolate. Art is about making people feel emotions by what they are viewing. Why just because it's the emotion of sexual arousal is it bad.
Not that you said porn is bad. I think you all know what I mean.
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07/02/2006 02:51:47 AM · #16 |
I had a patient at work that was revolted that I was going to take my 4 year old to see the Body Worlds exhibit in Denver (and around the country). She said it was X rated. I said...X-rated? They are showing the bodies in sexual positions? She said No, but you can see their "things." I explained to her that, I did not feel that was X-rated. She said OK...R-rated. I still explained to her that we all have em and that it was a "learning" opportunity and it is all a fact of life.
Just thought that may be a perspective on how some CAN think.
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07/02/2006 03:02:29 AM · #17 |
I don't like any naked pictures I dont know why but I don't...
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07/02/2006 03:27:18 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Bullie:
What's tasteful to some may not be to others, so, is their a line? I took some nude shots that in my opinion are very well done and very tasteful. But how do I know how they will be perceived? |
I have a very simple, and effective method to find out if a shot is going to be perceived as pornographic, or simply artistic.
I call my mother, tell her to check out my latest photo in my online portfolio, and if she says that it's nice, it's art, if she's like, "ooookay", it's porn, and I remove it.
Another effective method, is to show it to a wide audience of women. If most of them give you an uncomfortable look, it's probably too explicit.
Another way you could do it more literally is follow the legal form, do you see genitalia aside from the female breasts, you can consider it "softcore" porn, if any genitalia is touching, you can consider it "hardcore" porn. IMO this includes female breasts touching, but some people disagree. I am cautious with the topic myself, so I never run into the problem.
-Hideo |
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07/02/2006 05:21:34 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
I don't like any naked pictures I dont know why but I don't... |
That's funny just for your username alone.lol
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07/02/2006 06:16:00 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by danderson107:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
I don't like any naked pictures I dont know why but I don't... |
That's funny just for your username alone.lol |
There just decoration >.> I didnt even think of the XXX when I typed it in!!!
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07/02/2006 07:14:58 AM · #21 |
The best working differentiation I ever heard is "the difference between porn and art is the shadows". Not entirely true, but not entirely without merit either.
It's a tough line, I haven't worked out quite where it is yet.
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07/02/2006 08:34:29 AM · #22 |
is it porn or art when it is fake :)
this is a question that can never really be answered. DrJones pushes the line to many but he knows that he does. he does it beacuse he loves it. but for some it is porn long before it gets to his level. hell some porn direcotrs will try to say that they are making art. almost every argument on either side can provide examples in their favor. the idea that showing genitalia makes it porn can be argued against by looking at the bodyscapes site. I consider that stuff art but some of it shows genitalia. |
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07/02/2006 01:52:01 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
is it porn or art when it is fake :)
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Maybe not porn, but it's WRONG! LOL
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07/02/2006 01:57:22 PM · #24 |
| Elvis_L, you have to learn to cut curves more smoothly :) |
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07/02/2006 02:39:27 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Elvis_L, you have to learn to cut curves more smoothly :) |
lol, it is my wife's shot. |
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