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04/07/2003 09:50:04 AM · #1 |
This week there are 300 entries in colors. I don't have the time to vote on that many images as I image most don't. Heck I might not be able to get to the 20% let alone all of them...
Is it time to get this down to some finalists chosen by moderators/managment/peers?
Look at it this way. To really look at an image you need at least a minute. I would argue longer, but for that very sake leave it at 1. That is close to 5 hours to look through all the images.
I will be honest here. I probably won't even vote this week knowing I probably won't get through the 20% because I don't have a couple hours to spend...
Ideas? Thoughts?
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04/07/2003 12:36:27 PM · #2 |
My recommendation would be to add programming that would eliminate those images with scores lower than, say, 4.0 after the first 25 votes or so. Of course, it is perhaps these images that need the most comments...
Perhaps we need more self-censorship. I have noted that many have said things like "I knew my photo wouldn't do well because of..." so why not censor ourselves and not submit photos if we know they won't do well? I probably should have done that with my last entry (though I thought that maybe, just maybe....).
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04/07/2003 03:42:26 PM · #3 |
You dont have time to vote on 60 photos? I dont think there should be any limitations. 300 is not that crazy..
Just took me a little under an hour to vote on 150 photos and leave 15 comments. You can do 20% in under a half hour..
I do agree with dsidwell about the "self-censorship". About 25 of the 150 pics I voted on were out of focus.. They should never have been uploaded. |
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04/08/2003 09:27:12 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
"I knew my photo wouldn't do well because of..." so why not censor ourselves and not submit photos if we know they won't do well? I probably should have done that with my last entry (though I thought that maybe, just maybe....). |
That's exactly why those who say that still submit it. I think 1) we are hoping folks won't be so focused on thinking inside the box that they'll see the brilliance despite a reach and 2) we hope to get some feedback to improve our photography (which is what I thought this site was about).
I admit that rating and critically evaluating 300 photos is going to be time consuming, but by the same token, don't you hope YOUR photo will get honest consideration so that you can learn from it?
Just a thought.
Shari
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04/08/2003 09:52:09 AM · #5 |
If you have 100 submissions you have 100 voters and you vote on 100 photos you get 100 votes on your picture.
If you havve 300 submsissions you have 300 voters. If they vote on 100 (one third) of the photos you still get 100 votes (assuming it is random)
So what is the difference? You can still vote on however many you have time for, you don't need to do the whole lot. |
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04/08/2003 10:28:22 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
My recommendation would be to add programming that would eliminate those images with scores lower than, say, 4.0 after the first 25 votes or so. Of course, it is perhaps these images that need the most comments... |
Eh, I don't think that would work very well. You'd only eliminate about 5 photos that way. If you look at challenge scores, there's only a small amount that ever get under the 4 mark. everything else is around 4 's and 5's. There's no point in eliminating anybody at all. Just vote as many as you can. |
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04/08/2003 10:49:25 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by joebar:
Just took me a little under an hour to vote on 150 photos and leave 15 comments. You can do 20% in under a half hour.. |
Joe, I don't think 15-20 seconds is long enough to evaluate an image. Maybe you do, I don't. And no, I don't have 2 or 3 hours to spend. I work 80+ hour weeks and have a family. I would rather spend that time clicking than looking at images since I have so little time. Sorry.
I also agree with the self regulation idea. If you think the image stinks or knew it would do poorly, don't enter it!!! Upload it somewhere and ask for opinions. If a shot is out of focus, don't post it. There has to be some level of self moderation here that I think it is missing.
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04/08/2003 10:50:39 AM · #8 |
"2) we hope to get some feedback to improve our photography (which is what I thought this site was about)."
And I think that's their point. Theres always quite a few people each challenge saying, "Well I know such and such is wrong with my pic." What good does it do then to have say 40 people tell you what you already knew was wrong. But, it was only the thought of, gasp, not entering one challenge.
Practice makes perfect. But you have to make sure you're practicing the right way, otherwise you'll never progress. Practicing half-heartedly only leads to flatlining of your skills at best.
I am quite positive there will be challenges I won't submit on, because of a number of factors, (I don't have time that week, I have a block, There's really nothing I would care to express in that particular challenge). So why not take that time, focus on something/subject that will be fruitful for you, even though you, gasp, might not enter a challenge. People here seem pretty open and helpful. I don't see how demanding it would be to ask a few people to look over an image you've shot for yourself.
Another thought would maybe have the Critique Club narrow submitions down to say 50 or 75? Then have the public vote on those? |
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04/08/2003 11:07:48 AM · #9 |
20% of 300 is 60 by mavrik math. That could be wrong.
If you can't spend one hour evaluating 60 pictures even by your 1 minute per picture guideline, do you really have time to be here or do you just want to shoot a shot, get your feedback and not really have to participate?
You've entered 11 challenges, I've entered 5 - I've made twice as many comments as you. You are also one of these who gives a full point lower on yours scores than you get - so maybe you think you're doing pretty well, toss out a 6.5 here and there and move on, just wishing you could only see the great photography on this site. Well, there are lots of us who get 6.6 one week and 4.9 the next. We need the feedback and honestly, if you don't have time to deal with 1 hour of voting to get your minimum 20%, then do what you can, vote on the Setzler's, but don't ask for changes to a system that's working just fine.
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04/08/2003 01:16:45 PM · #10 |
I've only been around for 3 challenges, but I have a feeling there are going to be some weeks down the road when I have time only to either do the judging or put in an entry, not both. I'm going on vacation in May, so there will at least one week I know of where I won't get to do either.
Some of the low grades might be photos by beginners who are still learning a LOT by the judging. If you pre-judge and throw some photos out, those photographers learn nothing except that they don't even measure up enough to enter the challenge. Do you really want to send that message?
It's a good thing there are over 200 photographers on this website -- if a week comes when I don't have time to judge, there certainly will be plenty of others who will.
Don't have time to judge this week, Dave? That's okay -- we'll forgive you. But I don't think it's quite fair to ask the website to change because you personally don't have the time to participate fully every single week.
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04/08/2003 02:18:49 PM · #11 |
For myself, I've decided only to vote on challenges that I don't enter. Don;t usually have time to produce a good enough shot for both challenges anyway, but I do enjoy the voting (though that said, I'm not looking forward to colour at all).
I've found myself comparing the shots in challenges I've entered with my own, and that really doesn't make my voting fair.
Anyway, the football's on the TV, so I'm not voting tonight!
E ;-0
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