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06/24/2006 07:46:31 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by Nobody:
It says "Motion Blur" should not be used. It doesn't mention gausian, smart, radial, etc. |
It doesn't say Motion Blur filter.
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Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That applies to all post processing, I thought it was an easy description.
So even a radial blur is a no no. |
I think we shall need to agree to dissagree on this one. I haven't used blurring on my entry, but I wouldn't have a problem with someone using anything other than Motion. |
The extra rules have always been used when determining a DQ. Also, any kind of effect added in PP to imply motion is a no no based on the extra rule. It doesn't matter what PP technique was used. The extra rule does not use the word filter.
Message edited by author 2006-06-24 19:47:37. |
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06/24/2006 07:58:54 PM · #52 |
| I am still confused. Motion panning is one type of Motion blur???? |
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06/24/2006 08:01:15 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by shaileshivyas:
I am still confused. Motion panning is one type of Motion blur???? |
Motion panning is not a type of motion blur. It is a way to create motion blur in an image.
Other techniques are:
1) zooming while the shutter is open
2) Using a shutter speed slow enough so as not to stop the action
Message edited by author 2006-06-24 20:03:44. |
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06/24/2006 08:03:26 PM · #54 |
| Yeah I would think that since there is a Motion Panning Challenge listed from before that if this was about motion panning it would be listed again. I think Motion Blur is different then panning. |
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06/24/2006 08:04:29 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by maestro:
Yeah I would think that since there is a Motion Panning Challenge listed from before that if this was about motion panning it would be listed again. I think Motion Blur is different then panning. |
Motion blur is the effect, not the technique. Motion panning is a technique for achieving that effect.
Message edited by author 2006-06-24 20:05:42. |
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06/25/2006 04:14:08 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by maestro:
Yeah I would think that since there is a Motion Panning Challenge listed from before that if this was about motion panning it would be listed again. I think Motion Blur is different then panning. |
The description of the challenge is very clear. Panning is named as one of the ways to get a motion blur effect.
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06/25/2006 07:25:32 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
would this work? |
No... it is too good. DQ! DQ!
Note:
This public service announcement is brought to you by the Stop Rikki Action Committee, a wholly owned subsidiary of Nikon Inc. USA.
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06/25/2006 08:25:56 AM · #58 |
Adding blur to a shot in post processing is adding an element and grounds for DQ. Inside this challenge or outside of it. Ask all the people who have been DQed for it.
Motion blur is blur created by motion. It is irrelevent if it is camera motion, lens motion, photographer motion, or subject motion. All creates motion blur.
The winning shots will have the perfect amount of clarity and blur and the motion will have a point and add to the image rather than just be blurry.
Zooming in on your sleeping dog - not high score
Panning a bike racer - higher score
BTW Rikki - love that shot.
Message edited by author 2006-06-25 08:26:14. |
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06/25/2006 10:20:56 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
Me thinks there's a photo with added motion blur that will have Cutter's name on it. Else he's signaling a voting approach. You be the judge. |
well you thinks wrong my friend. not necessarily due to this lively discussion, but definitely inspired by it, I have made a concrete stance on NOT using any filters on my shot whatsoever. It just isn't in the spirit of the challenge, nor is it a "challenge" to simply use a filter. I was simply arguing it for the case of reason and fairness in language. I believe (because we all know people get upset, if they felt they were wronged) the challenge should always say "This WILL BE A DQ" or something if using a filter would be a DQ. You know? Anyway, don't worry about my entry. It will be after voting abudantly obvious, using a filter would not enhance or display the motion blur I chose. Enter your best!
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06/25/2006 10:58:49 AM · #60 |
| I predict many DQs due to post processed blurs from those who never read the challenge descriptions and/or forums. |
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06/25/2006 11:34:59 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
Me thinks there's a photo with added motion blur that will have Cutter's name on it. Else he's signaling a voting approach. You be the judge. |
well you thinks wrong my friend. not necessarily due to this lively discussion, but definitely inspired by it, I have made a concrete stance on NOT using any filters on my shot whatsoever. It just isn't in the spirit of the challenge, nor is it a "challenge" to simply use a filter. I was simply arguing it for the case of reason and fairness in language. I believe (because we all know people get upset, if they felt they were wronged) the challenge should always say "This WILL BE A DQ" or something if using a filter would be a DQ. You know? Anyway, don't worry about my entry. It will be after voting abudantly obvious, using a filter would not enhance or display the motion blur I chose. Enter your best! |
Actually, I pretty much agree with you. Well said. |
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06/25/2006 12:21:00 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I predict many DQs due to post processed blurs from those who never read the challenge descriptions and/or forums. |
I hope I don't sound to evil if I say I hope so? :) |
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06/25/2006 04:08:38 PM · #63 |
Well, I finally made a shot and entered it. 100% virgin in-camera blur, one of the least-processed shots I have ever submitted. Predicting 5.5 for it... Sigh.
R.
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06/25/2006 04:17:50 PM · #64 |
I have several that I could enter but I still cannot decide. :(
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06/25/2006 04:44:44 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Originally posted by ggbudge:
Can the blur be enhanced in post processing? |
NO. |
Is this really true? The challenge statement specifically said "added". That is in keeping with past DQ policy.
The SC has been emphatic about DQing effects that never existed in images that are created with filters but have set precidents in many images where modifying or enhancing an already existing effect has been allowed.
If enhancement is not allowed in this challenge then it should be clearly indicated.
Message edited by author 2006-06-25 16:45:07.
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06/25/2006 04:48:15 PM · #66 |
Read the flippin description!!
Challenge Details: Intentional motion blur is an effect that can be achieved by zooming on a stationary subject, panning a moving subject, using long exposure, etc. Search for subjects that will be enhanced by this treatment.
Challenge Type: Member Challenge
Challenge Rules: Advanced Editing
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That's pretty clear!
Message edited by author 2006-06-25 16:49:25. |
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06/25/2006 04:50:58 PM · #67 |
| Anyway, I'm in! Some PS work done, but not with the blur that enhances my image :P |
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06/25/2006 05:01:39 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Read the flippin description!!
Challenge Details: Intentional motion blur is an effect that can be achieved by zooming on a stationary subject, panning a moving subject, using long exposure, etc. Search for subjects that will be enhanced by this treatment.
Challenge Type: Member Challenge
Challenge Rules: Advanced Editing
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That's pretty clear! |
it is clearly, idnic that it should not be done. I just wish if a DQ was in order, then just state it clearly....You know?
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06/25/2006 05:02:56 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
it is clearly, idnic that it should not be done. I just wish if a DQ was in order, then just state it clearly....You know? |
ooooooooooh Sorry, Cutter. I missed your point. Got it now and am with ya! :) |
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06/25/2006 05:29:29 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Read the flippin description!!
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That's pretty clear! |
You are correct. It clearly says motion blur should not be added. In fact, that is in keeping with SC policy for a long time. That comes under the major element clause.
But that is not the question. The question is can existing motion blur be manipulated. In this case you are not adding a major element, you are changing something that already exists. SC policy has traditionally allowed this because you are not adding a major element.
That makes it a legitimate question.
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06/25/2006 05:37:30 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by idnic:
Read the flippin description!!
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That's pretty clear! |
You are correct. It clearly says motion blur should not be added. In fact, that is in keeping with SC policy for a long time. That comes under the major element clause.
But that is not the question. The question is can existing motion blur be manipulated. In this case you are not adding a major element, you are changing something that already exists. SC policy has traditionally allowed this because you are not adding a major element.
That makes it a legitimate question. |
If you have slight motion blur and you use PS to make the blur stretch out much further than it really was and it's noticable when compared with the original then I think that would be DQed. If however you are "enhancing" it by making the existing motion blur brighter or more colorful, that sort of thing would be fine. If I was on the SC that is how I would look at it.
Message edited by author 2006-06-25 17:38:10. |
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06/25/2006 05:40:27 PM · #72 |
There's no reason to turn off the IS (or OS or AS whatever). The subject can move even when you're on a tripod :-)
Anyways... hit me up with some ideas... i've got nothing lol... :( |
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06/25/2006 05:51:33 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by idnic:
Read the flippin description!!
Extra Rules: Reminder: Motion blur should NOT be added in post processing.
That's pretty clear! |
You are correct. It clearly says motion blur should not be added. In fact, that is in keeping with SC policy for a long time. That comes under the major element clause.
But that is not the question. The question is can existing motion blur be manipulated. In this case you are not adding a major element, you are changing something that already exists. SC policy has traditionally allowed this because you are not adding a major element.
That makes it a legitimate question. |
My interpretation, and I am speaking solely from my own point of view (haven't discussed it with anyone), the motion blur has to be created in camera, not added afterwards. Enhancing existing motion blur is fine.
There is in my mind a difference between the concepts of manipulating and enhancing. Enhancing is making something that's there better. Manipulating can be enhancing, but it also can be changing the original motion blur to something different. It's this changing an image into something different that's problematic.
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06/25/2006 05:58:32 PM · #74 |
seems to me, everyone is more concerned with bending the rules, instead of getting the shot it asks.
everyone appears nervous, but I bet there are some fantastic photos in this challenge. |
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06/25/2006 05:59:18 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
There's no reason to turn off the IS (or OS or AS whatever). The subject can move even when you're on a tripod :-) |
And a good IS system, like Canon and Nikon have, is programmed to notice a panning movement in one direction and still compensate for shake in any other direction.
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